View Full Version : Snowflake Moray Eel and Tiger Barbs
RollendChang
10-15-2004, 8:43 PM
Will a Snowflake Moray Eel get along with my tiger barbs? I have 8 inch and a half tiger barbs and I was wanting to get a 8 inch Snowflake Moray Eel but I don't want him to attack my tiger barbs. do you guys think this will be a problem?
StreetCypher
10-15-2004, 9:15 PM
I have 8 inch and a half tiger barbs and I was wanting to get a 8 inch Snowflake Moray Eel
I don't understand what you mean by 8 inch and a half tiger barbs. You have a total of 8 1/2 inches of tiger barbs?
Anyways, the moray eels has different water requirements than tiger barbs. They need brackish conditions progressing to salt when they are adults. They are commonly sold as freshwater, but, really they aren't.
tel0004
10-15-2004, 9:20 PM
What he ment was that he has 8 tiger barbs. They are 1.5 inches long.
RollendChang
10-15-2004, 10:30 PM
I ment i have 8 tiger barbs and they are 1 and 1 half inches long.I know the place I am buying them from sells them as fresh water. I just want to know if it will eat my tiger barbs. I know The eel eats small fish and I don't think it will eat my barbs but I just want to make sure and see what you guys think.
Captain Hook
10-15-2004, 10:52 PM
what size tank?
The snowflake may be offered for sale as FW, but that is contrary to what the fish should have. If you want long life and a healthy fish, the snowflake can start in BW, later build slowly to SW, but it will not live well and long in FW.
So in that sense, no, the tiger barbs are FW fish, so should not be in with a moray.
cdawson
10-16-2004, 10:02 AM
Will a Snowflake Moray Eel get along with my tiger barbs? I have 8 inch and a half tiger barbs and I was wanting to get a 8 inch Snowflake Moray Eel but I don't want him to attack my tiger barbs. do you guys think this will be a problem?
The moray will eat the barbs, that is of course the stress of being in FW doesn't kill it first. You need to get it into high end BW over the next 2 months or return it, because you can't keep it in FW.
RollendChang
10-16-2004, 10:47 AM
Ok, so tell me how to aclamate the tank to bw I will move the barbs to my other tank.
Blinky
10-16-2004, 1:10 PM
I know next to nothing about brackish/saltwater tanks and fish, but I need to throw my 2 cents in:
Everything I just read online tells me this is a saltwater fish. Maybe it starts off okay in freshwater, and maybe it will do alright in brackish, but it seems to eventually need a saltwater environment to thrive. Unless you're going to convert to saltwater I wouldn't get this fish - morays are beautiful, highly intelligent fish and it would be a shame to get attached to your pet and then lose it because you couldn't provide the right conditions.
http://www.aquariacentral.com/fishinfo/marine/sfmoray.htm
This is the profile of the snowflake moray I found on the AC site. Please do yourself a favour and check out the fish's requirements.
Haggisman
10-16-2004, 8:30 PM
Does it look like this?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/stupumen/Image281.jpg
Or this?
http://wetwebfotos.com/media/medium/4/2309_Gymnothorax_polyuranodonAQ2.tif.jpg
The first is a snowflake moray and its 100% saltwater, the secon is commonly called the freshwater moray eel but should be kept in brackish(in the wild it ventures into full fresh and full salt).I kept one of these and it only thrived when in brackish.
RollendChang
10-16-2004, 8:59 PM
It looks likt the second one, what is the top one
cdawson
10-17-2004, 1:47 AM
It looks likt the second one, what is the top one
A snowflake moray,
The second is a FW moray.
cdawson
10-17-2004, 2:02 AM
Ok, so tell me how to aclamate the tank to bw I will move the barbs to my other tank.
first of all, what size tank is it? The moray willl need at least a 45-50g tank to be happy. The grow to about 3' and are quite territorial. Tankmates for these guys are at a premium.
You'd need to set the tank up like you would a marine tank, meaning crushed coral or aragonite substrate, calcium based rocks and NO driftwood. Eventually you're going to need to go SW so any plants are a no no. Caulerpa is a possibilty once you've reached full SW.
First off for acclimation you'll need a full range hydrometer (1.00-1.030), a 200g bucket of marine salt. Preferably coral life, instant ocean isn't a very good brand and coral life is the next cheapest. Coral life is also one of the best brands out there. You'll need a rubbermaid container that's about 25% the amount of water in your tank, a seperate heater and powerhead for it. Gradually raise the specific gravity 0.002 ppm every week, no more than that or you'll kill off the bio filter. Raise it until you've reached 1.015, there it will stay until the moray is about 1.5 years old to 2 years old, then you'll raise it to full strength SW (1.019-1.023).
Feed him frozen silversides, krill and cut up store bought seafood. STAY away from feeders, they may be ok for fish like oscars or larger cichids (even though they're bad for any fish hardier fish will do fine on them) feeder fish are not only often full of disease and infection, but they're fatty and un-nutritional. The moray will do wonderfully on the foods I mentioned.
For some more info on Gymnothorax tile read this article here
http://fishinthe.net/html/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3627
Haggisman
10-17-2004, 7:03 AM
I dont think full marine is necessary, a brackish setup should be fine.My moray lived with scats and mollies(although he would occasionally grab the odd molly but they bred faster than they were preyed on)these fish are naturally picivores but feeders are not a good idea, stick to the shrimp/silverside diet.I would think a 30gal would be the minimum for one or two of these eels but something like a 55 would be better as you could have tankmates.
get one of the smaller bichirs, they look enough like an eel if you ask me, but do fine in fresh AND probably wouldn't eat a full grown tiger barb in shoal.
ryan
RollendChang
10-17-2004, 11:44 AM
I will have it in a 29 gal tank for now and this summer I will have it in a 55 or 75 gal tank. Thank you everyone for all of the info I am going to pick one up some time next week I think tuesday.
cdawson
10-17-2004, 2:53 PM
I dont think full marine is necessary, a brackish setup should be fine.My moray lived with scats and mollies(although he would occasionally grab the odd molly but they bred faster than they were preyed on)these fish are naturally picivores but feeders are not a good idea, stick to the shrimp/silverside diet.I would think a 30gal would be the minimum for one or two of these eels but something like a 55 would be better as you could have tankmates.
These morays ARE SW fish, they need it. Don't suggest anything short of their natural conditions unless you've kept them in the 'said' conditions for up to the 15 years that the moray will last for.
get one of the smaller bichirs, they look enough like an eel if you ask me, but do fine in fresh AND probably wouldn't eat a full grown tiger barb in shoal.
ryan
You can also get some fresh water eels.
Haggisman
10-17-2004, 5:45 PM
These morays ARE SW fish, they need it. Don't suggest anything short of their natural conditions unless you've kept them in the 'said' conditions for up to the 15 years that the moray will last for.
Wtf the site YOU posted states that they should be kept in brackish and every other site on them says the same.I used to post on a dedicated moray eel forum and there were some very educated owners who specialised in moray eels and they said that the environment I was providing for my eel was perfect.
cdawson
10-18-2004, 9:17 AM
Wtf the site YOU posted states that they should be kept in brackish and every other site on them says the same.I used to post on a dedicated moray eel forum and there were some very educated owners who specialised in moray eels and they said that the environment I was providing for my eel was perfect.
I posted that site because it helps with the identification of it. They ARE SW fish, however high end BW will be fine (1.016-1.019).