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macman7010

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There has been a lot of talk on here about flushing fish down the toliet, and I am sure I have not helped this issue any by recommending that very sick fish be "flushed" rather than having them infect an entire tank. Being a life long keeper of a variety of tropical fish, early on in my time keeping our aquatic friends, I flushed many of my already dead fish down the toliet to dispose of them.

I want to emphasize when I use the term "flush" or say things like "let the toliet take its course" I of course mean this to be a method used only once your fish is dead. The thought of our beloved fish swimming and drowning in a sea of human waste is not a pleasent one at all, though if you flush a living fish that is what you will get.

Though, I must admit, putting your fish in a cup of water in the freezer is not really a whole lot better. They will be introduced to a hyopthermia like condition, systematic shock, likely seizure, then death - not a fun expierence.

And then someone suggested putting your fish down the disposal with the drain - well that is just gross!!!

So what do we do when we know our finned friend is in pain, and likely not going to see another day? Hospital tanks are the right choice for any fish keeper. These tanks offer a refuge, away from your main tank that allows for the incubation and quarentine of sick animals, so they dont effect your other fish, and in turn can be treated for thier condition. If you have a sick fish in a hospital tank, let nature take its course. On several of the posts I have read, the ones I called "disturbing" in my last post, people where putting fish is grossly small aquariums, with no heat or filtration. Life in a fish bowel is a far more prolonged torture then the possibly thirty seconds your fish will live once flushed down the toliet.

For keepers whom keep a lot of fish, several hospital tanks are needed. These are cheap to set up and a must for every aquarist. That way when a fish is on thier way to heaven's shores, they dont have to travel there to the sound of a flush, via an icy grave, of the spinning turbine blades of a trash disposal, but can go thier in peace and harmony, and only after every measure to ensure thier survival has been taken.
 
I'm not a fan of the freezing method myself, but there are some good arguments for it especially when combined with some sort of anesthesia.

The garbage disposal method isn't pleasant to think about, but I'm sure it's very quick and effective.

Flushing a live fish is probably the most popular and most cruel method. I'm quite sure a fish will live longer than 30 seconds after flushing. I would imagine it could live for hours or even days depending on a variety of factors.

I personally prefer a method that's about as pleasant as the disposal method but brings about instant death.

There are other drugging methods, but most people probably don't keep the required products on hand.
 
Severing the spine (or whatever it's called in a fish) is the quickest and most painless way - but you have to be dead on or else it is painful.

If I had to put a fish out of its misery, I'd use the freezer method. Small gladware or similar type disposable container, filled w/ tankwater and a shot or two of vodka and put them in the freezer... the vodka acts as an anesthetic and the freezer slows down metabolism. IMHO letting them get worse and worse in a hospital tank, essentially waiting for them to die, and then flushing, is no more or less humane than freezing.

I think euthanasia, as it relates to fish, is a very heated topic... that's my two cents, but I pass no judgement on anyone who wants to make their finned buddies more comfortable and put them out of misery.

~Tara
 
My vet has said that freezing is an acceptable method. I think we forget the fish are not warm blooded animals like us. Their body does not strive to maintain the exact same temperature. If the water gets colder, they get colder. This is no struggle to stay warm like in humans. Eventually, so I've been told, the body slows and then shuts down (kind of like a coma?) and while unconcscious, it stops.

That said, I'll only freezer a fish if it is realllllly looking hopeless and as if the fish is dazed as is.

Whatever people choose to do (smashing with a hammer, decapitation, freezing, etc etc) - just don't flush them.
 
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Just did one

I just last night had to put down a fish. I put it in a bag with ice cubes. It was not happy about the bag, nor the ice cubes, but it didn't take long for it to settle down.

Oil of cloves is probably easier on the fish keeper. I need to get some I guess. In small amounts (1 drop in the bucket??) it is an anesthesia -- used to quiet big koi for treatments -- just a few drops more is lethal.
 
In defense of people like me who your last two posts have been semi-directed at, not everyone knows how involved fish keeping can be/is. What do people do that want a dog? Or a parakeet? They go to the fish store and buy them. How hard can it be? You feed them, you walk them, whatever the case may be. I doubt you would think twice about going and buying a dog. UNFORTUNATELY, this is how most people look at fish as well. It's not necessarily their fault, it is something that people just don't think about, it is a pretty natural thought process (of not thinking). There is no malicious intent.

When I was young I remember my older brother had goldfish, they would die every two weeks to a month and he would buy more. Every person that I had ever met thought that that is the way it is, GF don't live long and who cares because they are cheap.

My eyes nearly popped out of my head when I learned how long GF actually should live on average on how big they grow. Everyone I know and including myself thought they were 1 or 2" fish, end of story.

Luckily, there is so much information available on the internet nowadays and forums like this one who have as members, professionals and amatuers alike. People whose passion for fishkeeping helps thousands (if not more) through forums like these. It is unfortuante how many people there are out in the world who just have no idea, like me...or at least like me a month ago. This experience though has opened my eyes (and I am sure many like me) so that no matter what pet i ever get in my life I will research before buying. However, that is not the normal thinking of John or Jane Doe walking the street. How many people worried about eating meat 30 years ago? How many smokers knew smoking was dangerous 30 years ago?

In my case (and others like me I am sure) we do actually care, that is why we seeked out sites like these once we learned that we were grossly uneducated about this. I have spent nearly $800 dollars in one month on 2 goldfish and a betta, and I can assure you it isn't because I am rich. It is because I care and am trying my damndest to help these fish to live through my idiocy (bolstered by the idiocy of the employees at Petco) and live to see a better day. My co-workers (who also have fish) keep telling me to just flush it, afterall they only cost a couple of dollars. But I refuse to do it, I will do my best to pull them through.

I don't see your criticism from your original post helping anyone on this board because the people on this board are the ones who have come out to try and do things right because they learned they didn't know any better and now that they do they want to make things right. Others are here because they want to continue to improve their fishes lives by gleaning new tidbits that they never knew. Your criticism should be handed out in front of lfs's, Petco, Walmart and the like...those are the people who need it and may never find out it is out there.

It probably sounds like I am attacking you but I am not. I appreciate the advice you gave me in your posts and I take everything I glean here to heart. However, I also know everyone is not thick-skinned like me and when they see harshness in posts it makes them think twice before posting another "idiot question." Now, if they don't post that question, who does that help? I am sure you will agree that it is not the fish!

The people here are trying to make things right, please continue to help them so that they in turn can help their fish...I'm sure everyone likes the sound of that. Don't create an atmosphere where people don't ask questions for fear of being bitten...their fish will only suffer for it...as will the forums. The idiot of today on these forums can turn into the next oriongirl, daveedka, richer, rtr, or you! Then we'll just have even more passionate experts to help the continuing flow of misguided, mis-led newbies that I am sure will surface.

Well, sorry for the long post.

13BRAVO
 
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hey macman7010 Im sorry, I wasn't trying to attack you by putting up that post last night, It wasn't directed at anyone, just a general post telling how I felt on the issue. The term "you" that I used in the article was used to let the reader put themselfs into the situation I was describing.

The only thing that worried me is that these sugestions of flushing are mostly posted in the noob forum, and it wasn't specified that the fish NEED to be dead first! People that know nothing about fishes cuz they are so new might not make that assumption...
 
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I spoke with a good friend of mine, and marine biologist last night concerning this issue. He recommends a cup of tank water, a tablespoon of tonic water, and the freezer. He said what takes place is the tonic water inhibits the gills to collect the proper amount of oxygen slowly, and the fish just quietly passes out, much like a person would on nitris oxide.

Then the fish slowly freezes, and eventually dies.
 
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