Diana Walstad

I think it's interesting, so different from what many of us do, and I'm always willing to learn a new way of doing things. A 30% water change once every six months - that was the only part that really didn't sit well with me, because I feel that water changes are so crucial to keeping things balanced. I'd love to see how it works out, keep us updated - how about a diary with weekly posts and pictures?
 
Yes, I was a bit concerned about the long time between water changes...

I know when I had the 25 up before, I was changing 2x per week 40 or 50%, otherwise it was yucky.

Of course I had too many fish in it too......

But, I'm thinking I might give this a try, it won't cost to much and I could just rip it all out if it doesn't work :)

I'll try the diary thing too.
 
I wish money were no option lol. This second tank will be on a budget. I'm still trying to put asside the cash for a co2 system for the big tank. I just wanted to get plants growing and that was my first goal. Aquascaping is a whole 'nother ballgame :)
 
Maybe so, but the three simple concepts for designing the layout (pics at the bottom) are an excellent start. Wish I'd seen that info before. Perhaps I will try again later, but most times the issue is plant availability at the LFS and I cringe at shipping charges for online vendors. Watcha planning for your substrate?
 
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I don't even know..... I was going to try Diana Walstad method, get myself a glass top for the 25g long, and a strip light (no co2). But the thought of a potting soil base (algae?) freaks me out. I don't have any direct sunlight where the tank would be soooo. I might have to re-think.
 
Most of my tanks have soil substrates and low light. I pretty much follow Ms. Walstad's approach and I am very happy with the results.

I use the cheapest subsoil that I can get, one with minimum organics. I tried enriched potting soil and it was a mess, but the plants grew well, as did the algae. I think Ms. Walstad has moved away from potting soil.

She hosts a forum at

http://aquabotanicwetthumb.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x/a/frm/f/4686048124

Good luck.

Bill
 
I'm not an avocate of soil in planted tanks, it causes algae in the initial set up stages and it's an unholy mess.

I've used Onyx sand and leonardite and peat and a bunch of detritus/mulm from an established plant tank/filters/gravel etc. I used peat and gravel in the past for many years, long before there was a "web".

Non CO2 tanks can be taken to much higher level than many believe.
After a few months, the nutrients are depleted in the substrate. All of your nutrients will come from the water column from that point on unless you re enrich the substrate.

The traces and Ca /HCO3(KH) from onyx is ideal and helps speed the cycling of fish waste up vs plain gravel.

The part about no water changes............yes, it works, I know why it does, she mentioned why as a wild card guess, she says it's allelopathy, I've argued a very very strong argument against that hypothesis.

For example, what are the odds that all 300 species of aquatic plants have the same effect and produce allelopathic chemicals that provide plant growth and no algae? Close to the same odds that I might win the lottery.
Allelopathy has never been shown to occur in the field ever.
These are a couple of things that make this arguement virtually indefensible.
This argument was suggested for both CO2 and non CO2 tanks. I see no evidence of it. If you add activated carbn to the tank, this will remove any allelopathic chemicals if you want to try it as a control(CO2 ore non CO2) or do large frequent water changes(CO2 enriched tanks only).

When you do a water change, you add new tap water in, this has very high CO2 most often.

Plants and algae both adapt well to either a CO2 rich environment(high CO2) or a non CO2 enriched system(Low CO2).

The water changes throws the plants off and many species of algae are able to bloom and get a quick start. The extera CO2 also causes the plant to use up most of the nutrients to the point where they can no longer use them, but the algae are much better at growing at very low levels of nutrients than the plants.

If you vary the CO2 levels with your gas system, you can get some nasty algae outbreaks easily.

Many have observed this. If you do this weekly or often, this becomes an issue.

Plant very dense from day one also. Add algae eaters, yes, don't do a water change! Sounds weird, take my word for it.

CO2 and non CO2 systems seem very different but they really are not that radically different.

Growth rates are different, that's the main thing. They are easier to care for, they can also grow almost every plant you can ion a CO2 enriched tank with a few additions.

I add SeaChem Equilibrium each week and some KNO3/KH2PO4/Traces, not very much, just a tiny bit.

I can grow almost any plant, just slower.
I've dosed high levels of KNO3/KH2PO4 also, but if you want to not do many water changes, do not do this, your plants do not need much in a non CO2 tank, just a little.

Folks should try non CO2 tanks, most are very happy, they allow for laziness.

Regards,
Tom Barr
 
Tom said, "I'm not an advocate of soil in planted tanks, it causes algae in the initial set up stages and it's an unholy mess."

You bet it does, or can. But in my journeys through the forums I've read of algae and unholy messes being created in all kinds of planted tank environments. With soil-based tanks, one of the keys is to use very low organic subsoil. Another is, of course, to plant heavily. Some algae will still appear, but that is true of many newly set-up tanks. My soil-based tanks are the best that I've ever had, although that might not be saying a lot.<g>

As far as water column fertilization is concerned, I recently tried that, using a plain sand substrate. It is almost an unholy mess, with lots of algae and plants just holding on. But that could well be due to user error. I'm going to take it down and try again. On the other hand, I've had a crypt floating in a rather dirty grow-out tank for 5 months, and it is doing fine, even putting out a new leaf or two. No visible roots, though.

Bill
 
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