Canopy Stain Question

jonathan03

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Is it necessary to stain the isndie of a canopy? I just made one and I am thinking about only sealing the wood with a polyeurothene sealer. I just want to make sure that the wood won't rot.

I plan to stain and seal everything thats visible, and only seal the inside.
 
It's not even necessary to seal the inside, really, unless there is alot of humidity.
 
I agree with Bmeasure, as long as you have glass tops on the tank, I wouldn't bother with sealer. I would however consider painting the inside of the hood white (flat white primer is fine) just so it reflects light better.
 
I'm sorry, but when I first read this question I thought you asked about sealing inside the "cabinet", but you clearly said "canopy". :idea2:

I would do as beviking said with painting it white, That's what's going into my canopy, anyways. I am even considering going over it with a thin clear epoxy topcoat. If you go too thick, it tends to yellow a bit, though.

One thing I don't understand is why "flat" white reflects light better than "glossy" paint. Anyone care to embellish?
 
Well I'm not planning on using any glass. I have some plants that I want to grow out of the water. I have left about 6" for them to do so. I'm putting in a CF kit from AH supply that has a good reflector.

I started to stain the inside just to make it look as professional as possible :-) I will also have to seal it then. I'm just wondering if any of these chemicals from the stain and sealer will get in the tank?

BTW, I'm using minwax as a stain and a polyeuothene coating as a sealer.

Edit: That was confusing - the canopy I'm making know if for a cichlid tank so lighting isn't critical. I have tested the lighting wihtout hte canopy being painted and it looks fine to me. I have an 80 W shop light for a 55 gallon tank. Nothing too bright but it gets the job done at a low cost.

I am also making two others for planted tanks. Luckily I have not started these yet and will paint the inside white.

Last, I have one other question - How do I cut the feeding holes in the top of the canopy? I was thinking of cutting out a rectangular section but the far long edge will be a problem. I have been using a saber saw, circular saw and table saw for the rest, but I'm not sure about how the feeding hole can be cut.
 
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Bmeasure said:
One thing I don't understand is why "flat" white reflects light better than "glossy" paint. Anyone care to embellish?
I wish I could B, just have read the same thing several places so I went with it. I would think the glossy would reflect more too?

jonathan03, I would assume that if you do not have a glass top, worse case you'll get some condensation that will drip into the tank. This is an assumption on my part, never did an open tank, but I tend to go with the worse case senario. That said, I would use an exterior poly and be sure whatever it is, it will not end up transfering anything harmful to any water that may condense and drip into the tank.
As for cutting the holes...? Not sure of your set-up but you can use a circular saw and ease it down into the wood to start and make your long cuts. Then finish it with a jig saw (saber saw?).
 
I'll go with the flat white paint for the rest of the canopies. Has anyone tried foil? I would imagine it might be a pain to deal with but it is shinney.

Is it possible to raise the blade of a table saw while its running? I'm new to table saws but I really like the one I have. I just want to make sure I don't break anything. It would be perfect if it can be raised while its running.
 
jonathan03 said:
I'll go with the flat white paint for the rest of the canopies. Has anyone tried foil? I would imagine it might be a pain to deal with but it is shinney.

Is it possible to raise the blade of a table saw while its running? I'm new to table saws but I really like the one I have. I just want to make sure I don't break anything. It would be perfect if it can be raised while its running.
First question: I wouldn't go with Foil for the simple reason that at some point you are going to need to clean off mildew (damp environment) or salt creep. Even if you accidentally rub it wrong, it will break.

Second: Yes, you CAN raise the blade while cutting, but if you are new to this tool, I wouldn't risk it. I work with this saw regularly, and I NEVER do it. The last thing you want is to have your hands adjusting the blade height when it snags your wood and it gives a "kickback"! I have known people who almost broke their arm where wood came back and hit them. You may be thinking "then I'll just clamp it down and bring the blade up". Again, this is a bad idea, because you don't want to have to undo clamps while operating the saw. If you were just wanting to clamp it and raise the blade without moving the wood, this could be done, but the hole probably won't look very pretty (at least on one side).

My question is why don't you make hinged lids? If you want to be simple, just make the four sides, and place the hinges on the rear and connect them to an entire top that raises and lowers. Just don't make a full height rear (you just make the top half for instance to allow filters) and this is a breeze!
 
Well I'm not sure my canopy would support a hinged lid lol. It isn't the most sturdy thing in the world. I used 1x2's for a frame and 3/8" plywood to cover it. The main problem is that the back is open and not supported well since the filters are back there. I found a work around by having the shop light rest on the canopy instead of haning from it. The canopy has all its support in the front. I do plan on adding support in the back, but its really complicated on how it all fits together. I'm enclosing the shop light in the canopy and resting it, instead of hanging it.

Also, is ok to stain over polyeuothene? I have stained my wood while the pecies aren't together. I am thinking of sealing it when the peices aren't together and doing "touch ups" after everything is together. Because of the way the light fits, it has to be done like this. The design encloses the light fixture in the canopy for good. I can still change bulbs, but not fixtures.

The main reason I made it like this is because my light is 48.5" and the tank is 48". I don't want too much overhang. The canopy is 48.75" ;-)
 
Sounds like you are doing things the hard way! :D 3/8" is plenty for the most part. It all depends on how things are put together. I'm doing a fairly complicated canopy for my Display tank, but only because I made this tank based on exactly what I want.....not need! :D I wanted a canopy that has the front part of the top and the top of the front piece connected and on hinges. I don't know that you can picture this but basically part of the front and top lift when I open it. This is probably the most complicated way to build, but I do this for a living, and wanted to do things the way I prefer them. This setup for my Blackbelt Cichlid is basically my idea of an ideal tank to fit in my living room (built to be a 150 gallon, but after fake rock wall and sump are figured in, it's only holding around 125 gallons). I've been real happy with it and am still working on the canopy, but the link is in my signature area if you want to see where I'm at now.

BTW....NO you can't effectively stain over polyurethane. It's a topcoat sealer. You should always apply this when all is together. The newer products called "polyshades" from Minwax might work for you in this case, but it's definately NOT the way to go if planning. Stain is meant to be absorbed by wood, at least to some degree. This "polyshades" is a stain/poly mixture. It should work for you this time because it basically sits on top of the wood and seals it, but might not.
 
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