Plant size & non rooted cutting questions

nursie

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I bought my plants at a fish club sale..came home and looked everything up on planetgeek as far as size and tank placement...and then took everything out of the bag one at a time to plant....

the red wendti crypt that is described as a mid level plant is very tall in comparison to my Amazon sword that I just planted in the middle in the back.

the "dwarf" corkscrew val is really long, some up to 8". Is this really dwarf? I was going to plant in foreground, ended up putting in back. And it was describes as a mid level plant. I think not!!!

The listing for anacharis didn't specify if backdrop, midlevel or front. I have a variety of lengths....all with no roots. I'm assuming that these are cuttings that will root, so I put the ends in the substrate...is that the right thing to do?

And how do you arrange your plants in relation to the filter intake...I tried to keep tall stuff away from the intake thinking it would suck stuff to it, and my tank looks lopsided.

Here are pics of the rt and lt sides of the tank...the lights are off the top for easier maneuvering...I do have them .

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Additionally...I was able to loop the java moss around a piece of driftwood...it was a huge ball of it. It seems to stay. And the hornwort is freefloating for now, I have 2 more peices of driftwood trhat are soaking, and I'll loop the hornwort around one.

Comments please! I think I need to rearrange, and figure better to do now that before things start to take root. The water was so cloudy I had to stop.
 
nursie said:
And how do you arrange your plants in relation to the filter intake...I tried to keep tall stuff away from the intake thinking it would suck stuff to it, and my tank looks lopsided.
IME, it takes a bit of trial and error to figure out which plants will do best in your tank and where you'll want to place them to make the tank aesthetically pleasing to you.
I use stems to hide my intake but try to leave a few inches on either side of the intake and don't plant the stems too thick, so the water can circulate. There are some general shapes that many people use when it comes to aquascaping, one is a triangle where plants are highest on one side and may taper down to just foreground plants on the other, like a little field. If it's done well, it can be absolutely breathtaking, but sometimes having less plants on one side can result in that 'lopsided' feel. I've seen quite a few tanks aquascaped this way where the filter intake is completely exposed, and I really dislike the look of beautiful plants on one side, with a piece of equipment constantly drawing my eye to the open area - I find it takes away from the natural feel. I'd be inclined to hide it on the 'high' side of the tank, but there may be a reason this isn't desirable that I'm unaware of.
I re-did my aquascape yesterday. I like rounded 'concave' and 'convex' designs, so I've planted fast growing stems on the sides at the back, with lower plants between them. The Bacopa in the centre will probably be replaced with something mid-height and slower growing. The only problem with this may be that the bogwood is in a convex shape - it may be better to make the entire tank this shape, I'll have to play around with it :)

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I've evened some things out....found rocks with holes in them at the LFS and got one to put one end od my drift wood thro, and a couple of pieces of petrified wood to hold down another piece. So I have more driftwood now, and filled up the space on the rt.

Also....got some dipstick to check water stats, the prices of the real test kits were outrageous, I'll get one online.
As follows:
as I suspected, Ph around 8, and KH was high and GH very high. Do I need to do anything?
Nitrites were 0, Nitrates were 20, much to my surprise. Any idea why? I just added the plants this am, and checked these readings this pm. I don't ahve any fish yet. Am I right in thinking that some nitrifying bacteria would get into my tank on the plants I just put in?

I got seachem fert tabs, and put 5 of those in, and dosed as per pkg directions with Flourish and Flourish Excel. Had to go to 3 pet stores to find what I was looking for.

What else??


Blinky...Beautiful tank!!!! MAybe mine will look like that some day!
 
Three stores, holy cow! Glad you found everything you needed :)
Check the nitrates in your tap water, it's not uncommon for water straight from the tap to have enough NO3 for plants. Yes, there are probably nitrifying bacteria on the plants, but I wouldn't count on them as a significant source. Once your plants settle in and start to grow they'll take up ammonia as well, acting as an additional biological filter - many heavily planted tanks go through a 'silent cycle' - there are no readable levels of ammonia or nitrite, the plants use it up so fish are safe even in a new tank. I'd still recommend constant testing for the first while, just to make sure levels aren't rising beyond what the plants can use up.
Thanks for the compliment :) The tank needs a while to settle in and I'm sure I'll be making some adjustments, but I'm pretty happy with it now that I've gotten rid of the unnatural piece of carved/cut driftwood and replaced it with bogwood.
 
And back to some of the original questions:
Yes, 8" is 'dwarf' for a val.

Anacharis will not root, or at least not to any appreciable extent. Anchor it in the substrate and it will grow just fine. It will put out one root at a time from certain nodes from which is will also branch. When it comes trimming time, the easiest way to know a good place to cut is just above an aerial root (then remove the root). Upon close inspection you'll also probably be able to see a tiny bud starting to grow out from the same juncture. The best way, IME, to encourage branching is to let the plant grow so that it flops over on the surface. Alternatively, I suppose you could just leave it floating, but I find that an unattractive alternative, JMO.
 
So the long stringy things I see shooting out from some of the "joints" on the cuttings I have may be roots? I had read in anther thread about anacharis that if I just stuck the ends down in the substrate they would rot, so I pulled them all up. What is your experience? I have pool filter sand over fluorite for a substrate.

Also....just how pickey are aquatic plants about having leaves covered by the substrate when you plant them? should I be sure to have the "crowns" above the substrate? ON the other hand...what about roots that are above the surface? One of the starts of Java fern had roots that were kinda balled up with the center of the plant, and was hard to figure out to plant.
 
With alot of the stem plants like hygrophilia and anacharis, they will grow floating.
If I want a larger plant, I'll let a few pieces grow floating closer to my lights, for a month or so,after they attain the size I want (faster than just sticking them in the substrate) I'll find the spot thats throwing off roots and cut just below the root juncture and then stick it into the substrate. It has a better chance of lodging itself firmly into the substrate and then my fish have less chance of disturbing the plant and sending it back up to the top ;) Just a lil tip.
Anacharis is nice at the sides of the tank, mine grow like lil arms, reaching to the light and then I nip them when they're surfacing. Anacharis has antibiotic properties (just aother lil note) I am also a Nursie :)
 
Some crowns with rhizomes, like anubias and java fern, are best just tied down to wood or a rock. You can even let them ride around the tank a bit until they latch on to something. I had a tiny piece lodge between 2 rocks and it just took off from there. Don't bury the 'crown' of plants with bulb or rhizome roots.

Blinky? Is that your myrophilium floating on top in the pic? I just got another bunch to try again, since my last one didn't do well under the freaking blue actinic bulb lol, live and learn. :idea2:
 
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IME, the burried will turn translucent and there's really nothing to be done about it. It's really more of a floating plant than a stem plant. But it grows so fast that it doesn't matter. The plant will easily grow much faster than the inch or so that's burried will turn pale. It doesn't really 'rot' that I've noticed, it just fades. I imagine that given enough time it would decompose and float up, but by then you'd have a plant as long as your tank or longer. After christmas break I had let it grow in my fast growth tank for about 2 weeks, I had several stems that were about 3ft. long. On a weekly basis though, just pull it up, chop off the bottom part and replant the top. As far as anacharis goes, leave the leaves on when planting, they'll help anchor it.

Most stems get most of their nutrients from the water column, or have the ability to do so. Anacharis basically gets next to nothing from the substrate, if it did it would have a much better root system.
 
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