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Wildiana

wildiana
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ok, since i didn't any responds on my last post asking about peat. this is......

how do you use it?
it state to put in the filter media, but did not have a cartridge or anything to put it in. so i had a sock that i had used to on my vac (in case i suck up something i didn't want to suck up), thought since the sock been through enough tank water it was safe, but i lost 1 ram, and im sure it has to do with the sox.

anyway, i have a plastice breeder cantainer, i added peat in it and now its flowting around the tank...

is this enough?
or does the water have to filter through the peat.

if so, any advise on how to added to my media, with out any cartridge?
 
why are you adding peat? Is it for rams and tetras? I'd get a nylon sock or stocking, cut a pouch, add the stuff to this pouch and put it in with my filter media. Remove a portion of your filter media if you have to, but not all of it of course and just sit the pouch inside the filter.
Or just buy some blackwater solution or an almond tea leaf, soak the leaf in some warm water for an hour or so and slowly add the water to the tank.

How did you loose your ram? Sorry for you...... Is your water stable? amonia, nitrite, nitrate?
Rams are sensitive and short lived. Not a good beginner fish. I have no experience with them, I'm just going by what I'm told about them. My Lfs keeps rams and apistos in blackwater tanks. They loose alot of rams in each new shipment, I've noticed.
 
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The mighty Wet Feller spells it all out here (you'll need to scroll down a bit).

He recommends the toe of some nylons and slow going to avoid osmotic shock. I like the little mesh filter bags you can find at any good LFS, but ditto on the slow going to avoid osmotic shock.

If you're going to use an old piece of clothing (like a sock), make sure its well-rinsed to remove anything like detergent residue or fabric softeners. Better yet, get one of those little mesh filter bags you can find at any good LFS. Safe being preferable to sorry.
 
thanks guys...

i have rams and doing ok, i got me some chocolate Gouramies and they didn't last long, was told my ph was to high, also was thinking on lowing my ph anyway for my rams, my ph at this point is 7.4, looking for a 7.0 or slightly lower. tried everything (i think)

co2 at 20-25ppm
nitrite 0
nitrate 10
kh 340ppm
gh 196ppm

medium/heavy planted 29g

accourding to the article i might have put in too much, i filled the plastic breeding cantainer to the top.

thanks, i saved the article to my fav.
 
Wildiana said:
kh 340ppm
gh 196ppm
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

That's some rock hard water you've got there.

Personally, I think the hardness is more important than the pH in these sorts of things. I'd figure out a way to get much softer before you look too hard at delicate softwater fish like chocolates.

If the Rams are doing ok, just make sure experiments are gradual. Give them a chance to acclimate gradually to new conditions. That should help keep them ok.
 
yea, the water in upstate ny is pretty hard.


just got back from my lfs, got me some filter bags for my peat.


i guess your right about the rams, i mean i second i loss one i run out and get me more :rolleyes:

actually there is 2 right now that are not doing so well, up on top gasping for air or something, so guess what? yes got me 2 more today. :confused:

patients is something im not good at.

they should be some tipe of AA meeting (aquarium anonymous) i need a meeting bad :thud:
 
Changing your pH in a stable manner is not easy. Dropping and holding it .4 below your tap is even harder. With your high kh, lower the pH will not be a simple matter:

One can raise or lower pH by adding chemicals. Because of buffering, however, the process is difficult to get right. Increasing or decreasing the pH (in a stable way) actually involves changing the KH. The most common approach is to add a buffer (in the previous section) whose equilibrium holds the pH at the desired value.
Muriatic (hydrochloric) acid can be used to reduce pH. Note that the exact quantity needed depends on the water's buffering capacity. In effect, you add enough acid to use up all the buffering capacity. Once this has been done, decreasing the pH is easy. However, it should be noted that the resultant lower-pH water has much less KH buffering than it did before, making it more susceptible to pH swings when (for instance) nitrate levels rise. Warning: It goes without saying that acids are VERY dangerous! Do not use this approach unless you know what you are doing, and you should treat the water BEFORE adding it to the aquarium.

Products such as ``pH-Down'' are often based on a phosphoric acid buffer. Phosphoric acid tends to keep the pH at roughly 6.5, depending on how much you use. Unfortunately, use of phosphoric acid has the BIG side effect of raising the phosphate level in your tank, stimulating algae growth. It is difficult to control algae growth in a tank with elevated phosphate levels. The only advantage over hydrochloric acid is that pH will be somewhat better buffered at its lower value.

One safe way to lower pH WITHOUT adjusting KH is to bubble CO2 (carbon dioxide) through the tank. The CO2 dissolves in water, and some of it forms carbonic acid. The formation of acid lowers the pH. Of course, in order for this approach to be practical, a steady source of CO2 bubbles (e.g. a CO2 tank) is needed to hold the pH in place. As soon as the CO2 is gone, the pH bounces back to its previous value. The high cost of a CO2 injection system precludes its use as a pH lowering technique in most aquariums (though see the PLANT FAQ for inexpensive do-it-yourself alternatives). CO2 injection systems are highly popular in heavily-planted tanks, because the additional CO2 stimulates plant growth.

Peat moss softens water and reduces its hardness (GH). The most effective way to soften water via peat is to aerate water for 1-2 weeks in a bucket containing peat moss. For example, get a (plastic) bucket of the appropriate size. Then, get a large quantity of peat (a gallon or more), boil it (so that it sinks), stuff it in a pillow case, and place it in the water bucket. Use an air pump to aerate it. In 1-2 weeks, the water will be softer and more acidic. Use this aged water when making partial water changes on your tank.

Peat can be bought at pet shops, but it is expensive. It is much more cost-effective to buy it in bulk at a local gardening shop. Read labels carefully! You don't want to use peat containing fertilizers or other additives.

Although some folks place peat in the filters of their tanks, the technique has a number of drawbacks. First, peat clogs easily, so adding peat isn't always effective. Second, peat can be messy and may cloud the water in your tank. Third, the exact quantity of peat needed to effectively soften your water is difficult to estimate. Using the wrong amount results in the wrong water chemistry. Finally, when doing water changes, your tank's chemistry changes when new water is added (it has the wrong properties). Over the next few days, the chemistry changes as the peat takes effect. Using aged water helps ensure that the chemistry of your tank doesn't fluctuate while doing water changes.
From FINS
 
"Peat moss softens water and reduces its hardness (GH). The most effective way to soften water via peat is to aerate water for 1-2 weeks in a bucket containing peat moss. For example, get a (plastic) bucket of the appropriate size. Then, get a large quantity of peat (a gallon or more), boil it (so that it sinks), stuff it in a pillow case, and place it in the water bucket. Use an air pump to aerate it. In 1-2 weeks, the water will be softer and more acidic. Use this aged water when making partial water changes on your tank. "

thanks, i like this idea, will try it (my wife is going to kill me :( )
 
Here's another good article on peat. What it does, why that might be a good or a bad thing. Lists a few different types to look for if you want to get around that clogging and clouding business.

Also note that the stuff wears out after a bit.

You might want to follow that link at the bottom that leads to The Importance of Total Dissolved Solids. Thats sort of the whole point of this other stuff.
 
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I think it has more to do with the KH and GH readings than the PH as far as your rams not doing well. I have had my blue rams in PH of 8+ with no ill effects....they've even successfully spawned and the babies are 6+ weeks old and doing fine.

I don't have readings for the gh and kh as I don't have a kit for that...but my hardness measures around 80ppm when I last checked, if that helps with anything.

In general it's usually best not to mess with the PH as it's hard to keep it stable when you start doing that. I think you could probably do better using RO water for changes instead of peat....
 
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