Beginner needs help

mrclearview

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Hello all. I am in the process of starting a saltwater tank and need some advice. I have always kept fresh. fish and am basically set up well equipment wise for fresh water. I hope that someone can tell me what is "essential" for saltwater keeping. Mostly interested in urchins, mushrooms, etc. for starters. I will eventually do fish, but for now nothing serious as far as that goes. Do I need skimmers? etc? Special lighting? Please help.
 
Actually fish are easier to keep the inverts like urchins and mushrooms, so you want to start there. It also helps to get a list of what you want to have and then post it here :)
 
Thank you for your reply. I do understand that some of the inverts are a little bit harder to keep, but that is what I have decided that I want to do. I guess I should have specified more about what I want. I would like to use most of my own equip., and grow what I can. I run full spectrum lighting(forgot the watts), canister filter, HOB filter, powerhead, and a variety of extra parts. (heaters, bulbs, filters) I just need a basic setup plan, and find out what I will need to purchase. (skimmer?) Also, I would like to find out what will live in harmony. I really like the urchins, inverts. I keep alot of fish(freshwater), so I would like to try something new. Let me know what you all think.
 
What size tank? That will determine in some part what else you'll need. Also, review what type of urchins and other inverts you'd like--some are hardier than fish, some are currently impossible to keep for long.

Here's how I would set up the tank:

I'd start with at least a 55. I prefer 65's, better shape, but a 55 would work. I'd add the substrate--I like sand, it's easier to maintain, and keep clean. I'd then order about 75 pounds of Tampa Bay live rock--it comes with a bunch of cool hitch hikers, and likely many urchins already. For lighting, I know I'd go with metal hallide, simply because it looks so much better, and gives you a wider variety of options down the line for corals and clams. I would run a skimmer, simply because it makes it easier to keep the tank in good shape. I'd put in 3-4 powerheads, about 1 every 18 inches, but probably have a variety of sizes to create different levels of current in different parts of the tank. A good heater, and you're set. I'd probably plan on getting a reef ready setup so I could put in a sump easily, and put all the equipmet down there, in addition to having an automatic FW topoff system.

This is pretty much what I'm planning for my next SW tank. Stock will be mostly inverts--shrimp, a few crabs, lots of snails, a few urchins, and lots of encrusting corals. Only fish will be some gobies, maybe a mandarin down the line.
 
Thank you Orion. Sorry I forgot to specify, but the tank that I'm going to have available is 55 gal. Good info though on the inverts. I do realize that there are some that are very difficult, but I guess what I was hoping to do was to put some live sand on top of my existing sand, and just let it go. Just see what happens. I have heard of all sorts of neat things happening with just some live sand and some rock. The powerheads, the heater, and the filtration I have covered. If I don't run halides, will I still be able to support inverts, or do I need a halide or power compact??? I'm not trying to be a cheapo....but I'm not sure if salt is the way to go for me, so I just want to be sure I guess.
 
Depends on your definition of 'inverts'. Most of us lump corals and crustaceans, gastropods, mollucks, etc all in the invert group. Technically, they are all inverts. But, many people use 'inverts' to refer to mobile invertebrates. Most mobile invertebrates: crabs, shrimp, worms, snails, urchins, stars, etc will be fine with just a plain old NO strip light. Inverts like corals (brain coral, polyps, zoanthids, anenomes, etc) are primarily photosynthetic, and do require lot os light. Deeper tanks, like standard 55's, can be tough to light well without going with something like metal hallide.

But--if you already HAVE the strip light, you'll be able to keep most mobile inverts. If you later decide you want to start adding corals, you can upgrade later without it costing more. You'll just have be certain the animal you're purchasing doesn't require high lighting--fairly easy with adequate research. I started with strip lights, then went the VHO, then to MH--and would have saved mucho dinero had I just gotten the MH to begin with.
 
I really appreciate your response, thank you for all of your info. I do have another question for you though if you don't mind. How essential is the skimmer? I know that everyone who is serious about SW has one. I'm sure that if I did some more reading I would draw my own conclusion on this, but would like your input. Also, is it ok to mix pool filter sand with live sand? or do I need to do the whole substrate with live? Also, will I be able to grow things on fieldstone? or does it need to be the "live rock"? Can you create your own live rock?
 
I'm a fan of skimmers. They are not a requirement--I'm running tanks currently without them. But--without a skimmer, you end up needing more frequent water changes to remove wastes that can cause water quality problems otherwise. In smaller tanks, this tends to be a bigger problem than in larger tanks.

Mixing pool sand and live sand is fine. Or, you can use all pool sand and get a live sand activator kit. Or, get really good live rock and no live sand--most of the animals that colonize the sand will come off of rock just as well. Live rock needs to be porous-dense stones do support the same quantity of bacteria (less surface area). Lace rock is good, and can be used to make up a portion of the volume (say, 30 lbs of live rock and 30 pounds of lace rock). The critters, good algaes and bacteria will colonize every surface in the tank, it's just a matter of what objects provide more surface area for them to move on. Making your own from concrete is an option, but it's pretty labor intensive, and requires lots of curing time to avoid water chemistry issues.
 
Thanks for all the info. I was just curious about the rock question, which you answered. I didn't know if I had to buy the $13 lb. live rock, or if I got the ball rolling if there were substitutes. I figured that I could get things to grow on other types of rock, but I'm assuming that the Fiji stuff or something along those lines works better. I think that you have talked me into it. (twist, twist) My wife ought to love it!!!! Anyway, you have been very helpful and I thank you for your time and information. If I have anything further....you will hear from me. Take care.

BTW....youre bunny pic is awesome!!!!
 
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