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tigerbarbsdance

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Any and all advice will be greatly appreciated. I'm at wits end and do not know what to do anymore. Also have 3 tanks, 46 Bow, 40 and a 20. Same water same procedures. (The 46has been up since Nov.2002 and the 20 same date as the 40 below.)

The situation at hand:

40 gallon
set up Jan.2003
Bio Spira 1oz.
I use Aqua Safe for water conditioner
Filter 20-40 Whisper
Fish: 1 blue spot female gourami and 11 Tiger Barbs
Fish were not all added at once, Gourami and 5 tigers first and then a week later the other 6 tigers. Amonia rose slightly and Nitrite and then droppe dright back to 0.

Tank cycled, fish were great water had 0 Amonia, 0 Nitrite and a PH of 7.4 These are all the water testing kits I have.

2-13 I did my normal weekly 15-20% water change, added back conditioned water and cleaned the gravel. I do this with all my tanks every week. 2-14 I checked for amonia and nitrite, readings were 0. Tuesday 2-18 went to LFS and asked them to check water for phosphates as I was growing a stripof green algae down the middle of this tank, not length but width. They alerted me to high Nitrites 5.0 and my phosphates were not "bad"really. They sold me some Hagen Phos remover packets, which also remove Ntrite and Nitrates??? Good?? Not thinking so. I did a 10-15% water change when I got home. The Nitrite #'s never changed. Went back to LFS and bought a packet of Bio Spira came home and did another small water change, added Bio Spira. This was on Thur 2-19, also bought a Penguin 330. Put the Bio Spira in the tank, hooked up the Penguin 330. Thurs PM, hubby comes and gets me and says your Tigers are dying. I removed all the Tigers from the tank and put them in a bucket with the Whisper Filter, a Heater and air stone. Left the Gourami in the tank. It is now Sunday PM, my Nitrites are between 2.0 and 5.0, trace of Amonia. I did do a partial water change yesterday, against Marinelands advice of not to, this did lower it a tad. (Hard for me to tell as I have cheap test kit and colors towards the bottom are so close)

No one seems to be able to help me figure out what to do. The Bio Spira should of enabled me to put my fish back in there within a day. This tank has only polished river stones, two large plants on each end and a bubble wand. (Tigers need zipping room!) Plants are not real and all things purchased from Pet Places. Also have been in there since set up. I did have to plastic flower pots and a piece of slate, but removed them from the middle as was slowing the zoomers down. They were also in there since set up. My other tanks are ok checked them last night.

Since removing the Tigers that in and of it's self should of helped and didn't. This AM one was dead and another died. They aren't in the tank so suppose is damage from before or is hard to regulate the temp in there, holds about 17 gallons of water.

I would soooo appreciate any thoughts, ideas...something, anything. Just do not know what to do
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Thanks in advance
 
Let me see if I'm getting this straight before I comment. You did a test on your water and got 0 nitrites/0 ammonia. You has the LFS test on the same day and the got 5 nitrites? If this is the case, before you go too nuts, you best check with a third party. One of you have a serious testing problem...and if it's you, it sounds like you're simply dealing with a cycling tank.
 
Friday after water change ect. I had 0 Nitrite and 0 Amonia, the following Tuesday (4 days later) the LFS had the reading of 5.0 Nitrite.

Sorry for perhaps being unclear. I think that as of this PM I may have found the reason. All kind souls who have tried to help figure out this situation, have said that something has to be decaying in the tank to have Nitrite spike like that, they thought perhaps die off of the Algae.

Went and bought a 10 gallon for Tigers and was inspecting the filter box and found something black growing in the intake tube and around the area where the impellar is. Looks like mold?? I had to change the filter every week as it was black. I thought was because of messy Tiger Barbs and perhaps inadequate filtration. (Not clear as I reread this, sorry. Was setting up the 10 and putting on the Whisper filter that was orginally on my 40.)

Anyways, it's been cleaned and Barbs are in the 10. Now any advice for the 40 that is still spiking Nitrites? Strip this tank down? Is it still contaminated even though the Whisper has been removed and replaced with a 330 Penguin? Can mold grow in a filter box? Would this be able to kill off the good bacteria in the sponge?

Thanks for the response.
 
I would suspect that the Bio-Spira is not performing as advertised. I am still a bit suspicious of the bacteria in a bottle products. Your problems are the 2nd reported where nitrites spiked. It seems this product can provide the means to process ammonia, but maybe not nitrites.

I think your best bet is to continue waiting for the tank to fully cycle. Water changes daily/every other day will help reduce the toxic levels, as will the addition of some salt. Regretfully, the fish exposed to such high levels have gill burns, and might not recover. Make sure to keep the water highly oxygenated (high surface agititation). The gouramie is a labyrinth fish, and not reliant on his gills for oxygen. Still damaged, but less likely to suffocate.
 
Thank you for info.

Originally when I started this tank I used Bio Spira, used it with all my tanks start ups. It kept the Amonia & Nitrites at a minimum. The rest of the tanks are great, always 0 readings (less I overfeed :rolleyes: ) Added additional packet during this situation on advice of LFS. Maybe it is not the greatest at correcting a problem....have heard from others that it will though. I do understand your thoughts about adding it though, I was rather skeptical myself but for the most part I think it has been a 'good thing'.

I will continue to do partial water changes, the tank is well oxygenated, the Penguin 330 really provides surface agitation and I did add a Azoo Sponge Filter, tank also has a bubble wand in it. This morning the Nitrite was between 1.0 and 2.0. 0 Amonia.

The tigers are in a 10 gallon now, (they were in a bucket) as I removed them as soon as things got bad. Hopefully the remaining 9 will make it. Just love these little guys. The Gourami seems to be doing her usual things and does not likebeing in there alone but I have no where to place her, she is 6 inches at least and very very mean! I feel really bad about hurting them, it was not intentional......heck i bought the 40 just for her, she and my other blue 3 spot, both females when they got bigger were killing each other and killed one of my cories and knocked out my female Betta in my 46 Bow. One now lives in a 20 with an Angel and this one lives with the Tigers.

Well I best go do a water change, thanks again. Hopefully things will get better soon. I'm kinda tired!
 
Thought I would share the good news.

Did a 20% water change this morning and just checked the Nitrite and Amonia levels. They are currently 0 Amonia and .5 Nitrite (LOL I did it twice just to be sure I was seeing right!)

Finally making some good progress.
 
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