GH question (Ca & Mg)

pzuzu

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If my GH is at 8, should I still dose Ca and Mg? Or is that still too low? Also, what is Epsom Salt, chemical wise (is it magnesium sulfate, or something else)? How much of it raises a 55g's ppm?

Thanks!
Fernando
 
Thank you Beviking...unfortunately, I'm still not sure what to make of it. The calculator there only lets you figure out Magnesium but not Calcium. Even still, with the Mg, I still am not sure how to figure out how much more of it I'll need. Is there any formula out there that lets you know your Mg and Ca based on your GH reading? I doubt it. Mainly because the test kits for Mg and Ca are rather pricey, and I've read that they are more directed toward salt water tanks.

Any suggestions? Otherwise, I'll just have to go by trial and error (and it is ALWAYS ERROR)...been there done that. I've got a fuzz tank to prove it. :)

Fernando
 
There are plenty that have done well without these test kits. You could go with dosing the 4Ca:1Mg ratio. Check out this site... http://environmentalchemistry.com/yogi/reference/molar.html
scroll down and you can add any chemical composition and it will tell you what % of each element is contained. CaCl is about 50/50 Ca to Cl. MgSO4 only contains 20% Mg so adding 4 tsp of CaCl (~50% of which is Ca) and 1 tsp of MgSO4 (only 20% is Mg) isn't really 4:1.
Anyway, the search box in the upper right corner could be helpful too...oh look...
http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67445&page=1&pp=15&highlight=magnesium

:D
 
Thanks all for these helpful tools. I have saved those calculators and will definately use them. Unfortunately, that link to the molecular masses page kinda went right over my head. Here I was thinking I wasn't that dumb of a guy... heh... Where did all that high school education go, I wonder...

I'm trying to see if there's a way to go about this backwards. For instance, just dose the tank with a 4:1 ratio of Ca and Mg, see what happens to the GH and then do some cross multiplying or something with the difference. But that still doesn't account for the GH I already had. Perhaps it doesn't need to? I don't know. This is where I have reached a dead end all of a sudden. The calculators are great for everything else, but that's because I have a starting point. When it comes to Ca and Mg, I am starting out blindly. I'll probably just end up dosing the recommended ppms of each and go with the EI theory. I really like what I've read about it so far. And the fact that it's so simple is a plus.

Any thoughts?

Fernando
 
I think you're looking for a number when you really don't need to. Are the plants showing a deficiency? If not, why bother dosing at all?
It's certainly easy enough to get caught up with all the calculations (if you don't use it you lose it right?).
If the plants start showing (or are showing) a deficiency, whichever one it is (this may help http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_nutrient.htm ), dose for that. It's "Estimative", so 1/2tsp of MgSO4 per 20 gals is a good starting point, or 1 tsp CaCl per 20 gals.

So...are you sure you need to dose Mg/Ca?
 
Beviking: Actually, no, as I don't have any plants in my new tank yet. I'm just trying to get all my nutrients together before I start planting. I thought perhaps if I had everything I needed beforehand, I could prevent my new 55g from doing what my 46g did: it became a breeding ground for algae, to the point where I could barely see my plants, even though the water was crystal clear. There were about 3 different kinds of algae. I had been fertilizing with flourish, CO2, lights, etc... I trimmed the plants, scrubbed, cleaned, vaccumed, water changes...a week later, back where I started. So because I loved the plants for a good two months, and they were so healthy, I'm wanting to give it another go on the new tank and just make sure I am prepared for everything. I got the plants coming in next week, the bleach is ready...just trying to take every precaution. I don't really know if Ca/Mg will even have anything to do with algae, from what I've read, I haven't found any evidence of it. It seems algae problems are most often due to bad CO2, phosphates and low NO3... but like I said, just trying to take the precautions, and if it speeds the plants along in the process...then that's a good thing, I think. For two months I loved my plants, and I loved seeing the growth and trimming them a little to keep them in place. I loved it, just trying to get back to that. Minus the algae. I envy those beautiful tanks that are algae free. So that's what I'm striving for. Plus I've got my little algae squad coming the week after the plants arrive. I'll probably let them have a little fun in my 46g for a little while, then quarantine them until all their little algae poops are done, and into the 55g they will go. Every precaution. Suddenly I feel like Mad Eye Moody.

Thanks for the link!
Fernando
 
Aaaah pzuzu-son, sometimes we must let go of what we want, in order to truly have it. How can you have balance within (the tank) when you are constantly changing things? ;)

Just suggesting that maybe you were trying too hard? Instead of totally and completely without question irradicating algae this time around, concentrate on keeping CO2, nitrates, phosphates, potassium, and micro nutrients consistant. The lack of Mg or Ca won't spontaneously result in a massive algae outbreak. Then again, adding a teaspoon of CaCl and 1/2 teaspoon of MgSO4 won't either.
If you get a little algae, leave it be (unless it does start to take over!). Some report a succession in algae in a new tank as part of the break in period. You might see one type appear for awhile only to be replaced by another.

HTH
 
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