Here's an interesting article on vals http://www.tropica.com/en/plants/plant-articles/vallisneria.aspx Well now I'm thinking my "jungle val" may really be natans instead of gigantea. I didn't realize it got as long as that & assumed it was my growing conditions +/or faulty memory. I have seen "jungle" with wider, darker leaves. I think the common name must be used for both long growing types. My mystery val has narrower leaves than all the Americana varieties in the article..