Calling the loach specialists

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Lalo J.

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There is a great loach resource. it helps one identify species. Go here http://www.loaches.com/

The ID section is here https://www.loaches.com/species-index

The reason I have a 150 gal with 12 clown loaches. the 4 largets are 10+ inches and the smalles are in the 3.5 to 4 inch range (sizes are TL). I started with my first clowns about 18 years ago. You can see the picture here https://www.loaches.com/species-ind...acracanthus_group04.jpg/image_view_fullscreen

I think fishorama got it right from what I can see. https://www.loaches.com/species-index/botia-kubotai

If you visit the site you should visit the clown loach page. They have some great pictures in cluding marge the clown loach who was known the world over. If you do visit. at the bottom of the clown page is a link to 4 pages of clown pictures. The one to which I lined above is just one of them. The person whose picture it is has a huge clown named Basil.
Wow, your loaches are huge, I really like them but their size is too much for me, and it is a shame that the vast majority of people don't bother to offer them a tank to suit them. Thanks for the links, the identification section is very helpful.
 
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Thank you all for your contributions to this thread, I have taken a screenshot using the two windows with images of the loaches and I find it interesting to make the comparison with B.kubotai, observe the patterns of black spots painted on the fins, very successful right?
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Hybrid loaches are very rare as nearly all loaches in captivity are wild caught, with some exceptions. The less common of the botias are very much all wild caught individuals.

To me looks pretty good for a young kubo. Gorgeous little one though
 
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Check out these other LOL sites Botia rostrata Image Search — Loaches Online look hard at the semi-adult & Botia kubotai - Development of Markings During Growth — Loaches Online

Lalo, again, what size is your mystery loach? Your first pic showed orange-y fins & yellowish background. That could be a trick of lighting or camera...I don't know...

Sprinkle is in the UK & they can get so called "czech bred " loaches that are often hybrids. We in the new world are much less likely to see them, thank goodness!

I really think you should join loachfantics FB group & see if some of the real experts know, not just us well meaning guessers ;) but you'll get those too there. Post up all your pics & its size too. & keep in mind it's the holidays for many & it may take some time...
 

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Check out these other LOL sites Botia rostrata Image Search — Loaches Online look hard at the semi-adult & Botia kubotai - Development of Markings During Growth — Loaches Online

Lalo, again, what size is your mystery loach? Your first pic showed orange-y fins & yellowish background. That could be a trick of lighting or camera...I don't know...

Sprinkle is in the UK & they can get so called "czech bred " loaches that are often hybrids. We in the new world are much less likely to see them, thank goodness!

I really think you should join loachfantics FB group & see if some of the real experts know, not just us well meaning guessers ;) but you'll get those too there. Post up all your pics & its size too. & keep in mind it's the holidays for many & it may take some time...
I regret not having answered the size of the loach previously, she is very close to 2.5 ", only a few millimeters less than that. I have sent my request to the group that you suggest but I am still not accepted, it must be for the reasons you mention :) , so I will wait, the important thing about all this is that this loach is doing very well, it has not had problems with my valued corydoras, they are my treasure, I just removed a Geophagus 'red tapajos' because it messed with my tiny Corydoras adolfoi, but my loach she's a model citizen, it's hard to get good photos of her, but here's another one, in the tank light, she's a subtle cream color.
 
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LOL has 4 pages of kubotai pictures. From your most recent pic I would almost be willing to bet $$$ to donuts it is that.

Check out this pic https://www.loaches.com/species-index/photos/b/botia_kubotai_07.jpg/image_medium

Check out the some of the rest. There is a degree of variability in this species and I think your fish is clearly withing the range you will see.
3 pages of kubotai pics

It is the tiny dots inside the black markings that does it for me.

And here is the wierd thing about the only 3 species of loach I have kept. My first were YoYos. I had to give them away. Next came the clowns and I still have them as above. But I have kept one more species, one of the smallest, Ambastaia sidthimunki . I have had a group of them for about 16 years.
 

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Well, I'm back to guessing kubotai again, lol. Much smaller than rostrata & easier to house & find tankmates but study the pics...like I said they're often mixed with other loaches that look similar when small...I was almost ready to get kubotai a couple years ago but they were mixed with yoyos & maybe rostratas &/or histrionicas. I want to keep my loaches in groups of at least 6 of the same species...they can tell even if I can't.
 
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Ambastaia sidthimunki is a fish that I would like to keep but I have never seen it available in Mexico, and Kubotai only on one occasion, but I see that it is easy to confuse the species, they may have been available but with the wrong name. So my loach could be kubotai or a rostrata semi-adult, although the opinions of people in the FB group are lacking. Interesting.
 
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