right, thank you so much for all you help flaringshutter,youre a godsend! i wish i found those 2 before i ordered what i did, but hey never mind, i will be able to order something else on monday, i have no cash until then, so when this one comes through, i think il use it to give it a try, as at the very earliest the new stuff i order on monday wont be through for another 4 days from now, and im not sure they will last that long. i have found 'interpet anti slime and velvet' says it treats flukes, i wasnt sure about maybe using that as i could get some of that tomorrow if i borrow a bit of cash off someone, what do you think? leave off using the stuff i ordered online and just use that, but thats only if it will work, i hate using all these different chemicals, but i just want my babies better asap. sorry for all the questions, lol i must be driving you mad!