Mafia #6.....The Play

Gee Z, you of all people should understand. You wanted to vote JM to reduce the chances of the town losing Innocents, but not because you actually suspected her or not. It/s the same philosophy, what's best for the town.

Well here is my logic... Mad is my primary suspect, but there are some doubts there with the snitch thing. It is possible that Mad is either Innocent or the Don, either of which will show up Innocent if he's lynched and I think that would cause a lot of confusion in the town.

Ogre has been my #2 suspect for a long time and I've not seen any reason to not think he's Mafia aside from a few questionable people defending him, yourself included.

I truly feel it would be in the town's best interest to bang out a mafia member with a lynch and I think Ogre is a good candidate.

If someone can build a stronger case for someone else, I'll consider it, but as it is I think this is the best course of action for the town. I am tired of all the endless circles we're running in. The Mafia is doing a great job at stirring the pot up and mixing things up. I want to lynch one for the team and help avenge the innocent blood that's been spilt so far.

Hmm, now I think you may be Innocent but you are still very much out to lunch on your list of suspects. I need to do some heavy reading tomorrow.
 
mikendanielles list is useless... its all over the place. Even if he was an innocent im happy to see him gone because all he did was cause confusion and jump on trains.


That is a very cold thing to say about an Innocent who's blood has been shed and can't even defend himself any longer.

Don't you have any desire at all to avenge all of their deaths?

Mike did bring a lot on himself, but he was ridden very hard pretty much the whole time he was alive. I can't understand having no simply and to toss out his list just because it's all over the place...it's hard not to be all over the place with so many Mafia and losing Innocents so quickly. There ARE 7 Mafia and some people who offer so few clues or who are difficult to read.
 
Sway, I repeat... please provide evidence. I'm not you. I can't use your 'vibe' and your intuition. So... again, provide evidence.

Mad, I'm coming after you because I believe that you, Ice, and Sway are mafia.

Z, how sure are you about DP. I'm very sure of Mad.

Do we have a vote count?

I'm not sure of DP but DP said they were going to quit, and has twice said they skimmed over 1000 posts, yet they are still voting. That is either Mafia or someone that doesn't want to play, either way I think they should be granted their wish.

My current list.

Dwarf Puffers: 3 – Zsandmann (1052) johnlarson66 (1091) Plantling (1148)
Madcrawdad: 1Charlie_Stubbs (1071) Swayde (1088) Ogre (1136)
Mee-mee: 0Charlie_Stubbs (1089)
Ogre: 2 – Charlie_Stubbs (1121) Swayde (1169)
 
my list... of suspects
zsand- playing very helpful, like a don would.
DD- bit more quiet and cautious this game, instead of stating her thoughts firmly like last game when she got ousted and was indeed mafia.
Swayde- Jumping on Mad's train, with no real reasons other than looking at lists.
Iceh20- playing a helpful game, like always but again, has lots of power to manipulate...and seems to be trying to do so at times.

Leaning innocent.
Mad- i really dont see what all the fuss is about here, everyone seems to be voting on him ever so quickly with very little support.
Ogre-seems to be very helpful, and innocent. I get zero vibes from this player.
Sploke- a bit quiet, but seems to be trying to help, and willing to wait and figure things out.

Unsure
charliestubbs-
seems to be very hooked on the game, which would generally make me thing important role, not necessarily mafia, but a key role here i believe. Also seems to be quick to jump on those who he feels are mafia, but also quick to support anyone else. Seems to be playing other peoples game, and not his own.

just my thoughts,
Jay
 
Mad, it's not about crap being thrown at me. I just don't appreciate not having my posts read. I put some effort into this.

Still not answering my question Sway. Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

You want my reasons... For the first few days, Mad has seemed perfectly innocent to me. However, today''s events really changed my mind. One, Mad let something slip. Not telling in and of itself. Then you vote for Mad. Then I vote for mad... and suddenly, you switch to me.

I know you are all over me because I haven't trusted you for quite a while. That's fine because you don't have any evidence other than your feeling for me either.

Take all this together and the fact that I am 99.99% sure that the mafia have at least 2 excellent players on their team. Mad and Ice would qualify.

DP would be an acceptable choice for a lynching to me. Saying he quit, then no quit message from rb, he's not quit.
 
That is a very cold thing to say about an Innocent who's blood has been shed and can't even defend himself any longer.

Don't you have any desire at all to avenge all of their deaths?

Mike did bring a lot on himself, but he was ridden very hard pretty much the whole time he was alive. I can't understand having no simply and to toss out his list just because it's all over the place...it's hard not to be all over the place with so many Mafia and losing Innocents so quickly. There ARE 7 Mafia and some people who offer so few clues or who are difficult to read.


mikes list are not his own, he simply looked at other players list, who seemed at the time to be good, hard thinking innocents and used them to form his own. I think that even though it does not help the town as much as getting rid of a mafia would, it is still a plus to get rid of a player who causes as much confusion and useless arguing as mike did.

Unfortunately, we are very town in numbers of innocents... and mafia are still full at force.... WE need to make a big change tonight, and remove a key mafia player. Im sure we can fiddle around, and catch one someplace... but even if we do, it may not be who we want... we need to get rid of one of the more dangerous mafia.

Also, with zsandman... another thing id like to bring up, it was his idea to vote for JM because she wasnt here. His theory was that if she was going to die anyways, why not kill her off the first night and not risk a townie?

Well, i still very firmly believe that this is a true mafia idea. It seemed appealing to newbies, and even experienced players at the time, but i saw through it and it seemed to be a useless plan.

I still do not see it, how does waiting to vote out a real player, help the town when there are seven mafia on the prowl? We needed to take our shot the first night, while the numbers were still in our favor. I strongly disliked this plan from the beginning, and i think that it seems a very mafiaish plan to suggest. Who else but a mafia would want to get rid of no one on night one?? especially when there are SO MANY mafia this time around....
 
Take all this together and the fact that I am 99.99% sure that the mafia have at least 2 excellent players on their team. Mad and Ice would qualify.
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im with you 100% there, but am leaning more towards ice and Zsand rather than ice and mad.

Mad doesnt seem as powerful as z does, and doesnt seem to be trying to manipulate like z does.
 
Mad, it's not about crap being thrown at me. I just don't appreciate not having my posts read. I put some effort into this.

Still not answering my question Sway. Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

You want my reasons... For the first few days, Mad has seemed perfectly innocent to me. However, today''s events really changed my mind. One, Mad let something slip. Not telling in and of itself. Then you vote for Mad. Then I vote for mad... and suddenly, you switch to me.

I know you are all over me because I haven't trusted you for quite a while. That's fine because you don't have any evidence other than your feeling for me either.

Take all this together and the fact that I am 99.99% sure that the mafia have at least 2 excellent players on their team. Mad and Ice would qualify.

DP would be an acceptable choice for a lynching to me. Saying he quit, then no quit message from rb, he's not quit.

What question Ogre? I don't see a single question mark in that entire paragraph.... Absence of Proof is not proof of absence? What the heck is that supposed to mean? It's more freakin circular talk IMO and just more confusion being thrown in the pot.

I am going go lay down again. If I seem a bit testy today it's because one of my teeth has an abscess and it's causing me a great deal of pain and I can't get a root canal on it until tomorrow.

So have fun running in circles. I'll check back in later on. I think I am just going to leave me vote where it is because I don't trust anyone at this point besides myself and Ogre's my top pick, take it or leave it. I want to see justice prevail, but I think that just maybe the Mafia might own enough of this town at this point to get away with running it.
 
I'm voting Ice right now. I feel kind of bad cause I know he's not here to defend himself right now, but hopefully he'll check in soon. Between Z, Mad Ogre and Ice, one of them has got to be mafia...with the way this team is playing this round they've got to have some brains and experience behind the strategy here. Z I don't get a vibe from, I've come off of mad since late yesterday, and Ogre I'm still not sure about but to me he's not playing like mafia. There's just so much finger pointing going on at the top of the food chain right now. I voted Ice the first day and I still have a lot of suspicion about him, so I want to get the vote out there early and see what happens with it.
I vote to lynch IceH2O.
 
hmmm... i'm noticing that many players have Ice on their list would this be an acceptable choice as well?

What I'm trying to do is get a list of 3 or 4 players that we can all agree are good choices to lynch. Am I correct in thinking that

DP
Ogre
Madcrawdad
Ice

would be acceptable choices?

Just based on statistics there are probably two mafia on this list. I suggest that everyone pick our lynch target from this list.
 
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