MAFIA 10: Vampires!

[Madcrawdad]

I just know the vamps are getting a kick at that staking right now. They got us good. I was afraid of some of the names on JL and as soon as we voted MM I saw the same ones move over. DD I am pretty confident that you were Innocent at least up till Night. Now the list resets again, grrrrr, blast you Ice! Lady and Sway I lean Innocent as well but didn't really like the way you all just followed DD and myself. We have to be very careful of being too trusting of anyone because one day they could be your ally and the next your enemy. Heck just look at pappy last round, went from an Innocent PR to an event minion. I'm just leery of Mad's "bandwagon" idea or of any conglomeration of votes.

Z, I understand your hesitation regarding the bandwagon idea. Unfortunately problems may develop when you have lurkers. People can just park votes, ride them to the lynch, and then say they were too busy to unvote, etc. EVERYBODY would need to be pretty involved with the game.

I think that bandwagons, though, could prove somewhat useful in rooting out scum. Whether a bandwagon leads to a lynch or not, at some point you might know a person's status (vamp v. village) who was at least questioned by the angry mob. Once that's revealed, you'd be able to look back on the bandwagon to see who got on the bandwagon vs. who stayed off. Of those getting on, who pushed the hardest, and who didn't push much at all....things like that might prove helpful in identifying alliances.

Keep in mind that the bandwagon idea is more to be used as an information gathering tool as opposed to a lynch tool. People would need to be able to move votes pretty quickly (usually to unvote a person who seemed to pass the test). Problem is that it's usually pretty hard to get folks to quickly move their votes.

 

[Madcrawdad]

to be honest, i had doubts JL or MM was evil, but forgot to vote JL this morning. i got home late and didnt have time to thoughorly read the thread, but after a quick read I felt DC was quick to try to start a train on JL. after spending some time reading though, DC is actually looking more innocent than i suspected and i also like his list. Sploke or RB have been kidnapped. I think its Sploke, and RB's lack of posts since nightfall is alarming

Chas, you said you liked DC's list....did you notice that you were on it?

 

[Madcrawdad]

Sorry guys, I should have included this in my last post, but I'm reading thru and giving reponses to individual posts as I read them....

Chas, if you could clarify something for me, that would be great.

In this post you explain your late vote change to DC. Claim that after a re-read he seems less scummy to you, and that you also like his list of vamp candidates.

to be honest, i had doubts JL or MM was evil, but forgot to vote JL this morning. i got home late and didnt have time to thoughorly read the thread, but after a quick read I felt DC was quick to try to start a train on JL. after spending some time reading though, DC is actually looking more innocent than i suspected and i also like his list. Sploke or RB have been kidnapped. I think its Sploke, and RB's lack of posts since nightfall is alarming

Here's DC's most recent list...the one that you claim to like. Let's just assume that you don't really like your own name on the list.

I just got home from work and was doing my 20 minutes of free reading....I have a few main suspects for a list:

JL - As per before and I'm no more satisfied than I was yesterday

CS - Playing odd and firing off at random players, random switch to me and then now he's after someone completely different right off the bat. (Pardon the pun.)

Sploke - I've previously been on his team before when he was evil and I'm seeing a similar playing style from his as I did those times.

I wonder about a few others but no one's setting off huge lights just yet.

You said in the first post that I've quoted above that you think that Sploke was kidnapped, you also say it again here. For Sploke to have been kidnapped, he must be a villager....so you can't really like Sploke either.

sploke was viewing earlier and didnt post, so i assume he is kidnapped. RB on the other hand is probably getting his chat room all set up and meeting his new friends.

Here now is an exchange with ewurm regarding who he voted for on Night 2....he voted for JL66.

my suspect list changes more than my underwear, but i like
RB
Ewurm
i would investigate those two. Ewurm who did you vote for last night???

I voted for JL.

In the original post quoted at the top it looks like you don't really like JL for a vamp, and here in your response to ewurm it seems to confirm it again.

I voted for JL.

why??? what was suspicious to you???

So who do you really like on DC's list?

 

[johnlarson66]

There has been a lot of posts, but not as much information as I was hoping for.

The nightly kidnapping is going to be a strange twist. The not knowing who it is, well that is going to take some getting used to.

Is the not posting / not voting and you die rule for every day or just Day One? I thought it was just the first day, but need to check. I wish that rule was on the first page. I will search later.

If it is just for the first day, then what will stop someone from "pretending" to be kidnapped. Right now there are 2 people that could have been kidnapped, we know only one is. We will not know who was. Only the kidnapper will.

I am still suprised I was not staked. I think having all those votes may have kept me from being turned, and hopefully keep me from being turned. I do not think I would turn me with one of the guarenteed turns. Too many people expect me to be scummy.

I think CS is still a good canidate for being a vampire.

My vote is not because he role played. That was day one.

It is the third day I have voted for him and he has been jumping all over the place. He could have been the vote that staked me, but instead threw a vote away. He continues to toss votes out there.

He wanted to be able to say he did not vote for me or think I was even a vampire when I came up innocent.

He has a quote somewhere, I will find it and paste it, but it said something to the affect that he did not think I was a vampire, but forgot to vote for me. I will find it and post. I might be reading it wrong or reading into it.

 

[johnlarson66]

to be honest, i had doubts JL or MM was evil, but forgot to vote JL this morning. i got home late and didnt have time to thoughorly read the thread, but after a quick read I felt DC was quick to try to start a train on JL. after spending some time reading though, DC is actually looking more innocent than i suspected and i also like his list. Sploke or RB have been kidnapped. I think its Sploke, and RB's lack of posts since nightfall is alarming

Here is the post. Had doubts I was evil, but forgot to vote for JL (me) in the morning. I think he was on before the lynch with some left field (and worthless) vote for DC.

As Mad pointed out, he likes DC's list. DC's list is JL, CS, and sploke.

Well he has doubts I am evil and thinks sploke was kidnapped.

With the choices left on the list, I like it also.

Feel free to vote for yourself Charlie. I think that is the only person you have not voted for yet.

 

[johnlarson66]

Well Sway, to be honest i'm not convinced MM is a Vampire, and JL doesnt look as scummy as DC IMO. Shouldn't i vote for who i think is bad??? I'm looking very closely at DC's posts to see if there is a case to be built.

football always distracts me. i had a long day but im re-reading and have a couple hours to play tonight. i will try to kick in a few doors. first door i would like to kick in is DC's. DC you drunken SOB lets have a look at your chompers, my hairy friend. I think you are LV. You like apples? How bout dem apples???

These posts are about 20 minutes before nightfall. He had every chance in the world to change his vote.

I also was online, I could have voted to vote mee-mee and swing it away from me. I did not, because I would have been target #1 the next day. I really expected to be staked and knew if I saved my own skin at the cost of another player and that player came up innocent, I would be a gone the next day.

Too be honest, I have not really "got" the contridiction she posted and did not think she was freaking out as she does when she is bad.

 

[johnlarson66]

One last post before going to sleep (I am out of town for work and alone in a hotel).

There are two things that have me bothered. The first is the push to vote for guppyguppyfish and the second for the push on mee-mee. I did not get far enough in the thread to post about mee-mee. I might go that in a few, but I am getting tired, so this may or may not be my last post before going to sleep.

Here Ogre comes up with the vote no one idea.

I can prove I'm not a vamp. Xander still doesn't have teeth and he's almost 9 months old.

Thoughts, if the LV is a relative newbie, then my idea might work (lynching low/non poster).

If it's a vet, then it doesn't really matter.

Another idea might be to lynch no one. We only have a 1/9 chance of hitting a vamp at this point. I hate the idea, but we might discuss lynching no one.

That would let the LV build his army, but he does that anyway. It just lets us keep our forces relatively intact.

It all depends on if a 1/9 chance is worth it.

For now, I vote to lynch no one.

I'll be bach... :0

Here he defends it.

Yeah, but we have as good a chance of lynching a power role too. Like I said, I don't really like the idea, but it's not as unreasonable. Basically it's way worse than a coin flip.

Here ggf, who has stated is going to be more active in the game, states that she agrees with it. Notice it is not just a vote. It is a vote with a reason.

i agree with the vote for no one plan
i vote to stab the stake through no one!

Here DD quotes ggf and makes note that voting for no one is bad, but does not call Ogre out for it, but ggf, who is just agreeing and following.

I am totally not with voting "no one". I just don't see how it will benefit us. Someone want to explain?

Here ggf is willing to listen.

i seems to make sense to me, but if you have a better idea, tell me!

Then the very person that had the idea turns on her.

OK, I don't really like the no-one vote either. So I change my vote

I vote to lynch guppyguppyfish. Awful interested in the no vote and responding to keep up the vote count, but nothing really useful or anything beyond 'I agree'.

Sorry.

See you guys tomorrow... Ogre buttons on his over coat, dons his heavy blacksmith gloves, puts on a helmet borrowed from a local knight and prepares to give his (almost) 9 month old son a bath. Godspeed Ogre, may you fare well this eve!

I do not like turning on ggf, but I also do not like the fact that DD jumped on ggf, but not Ogre. ggf is an easy target and we all know now that she is innocent at this time.

At this point in the game there are only two vampires.

 

[johnlarson66]

I haven't seen anything that makes me suspicious, and I am off to work. To that end, I vote to stake no one.

This also went without much comment and was after the ggf train was going.

 

[johnlarson66]

I am not the one that was changed...I can bet my fish on it that it was Sway...and DD is the LV or Z...

My new vamp list...
1..LV- DD or Z
2..Igor--DD or Z or Sway...

since they all so voted for me soooooo close together....look at them if I am staked and you will find your vamps...

I did see her contridiction. It was concerning my vote for CS and following Ogre. I saw many posts about that. I also see DD and Z all over it.

I think she voted for me. I am not 100% sure.

Besides CS, I have DD fairly high. I think that CS is the LV and DD is the first one chosen. I do not have a clue who was turned, but I am sure they will come out if either of these two get any amount of votes.

 

[Lady G]

to be honest, i had doubts JL or MM was evil, but forgot to vote JL this morning. i got home late and didnt have time to thoughorly read the thread, but after a quick read I felt DC was quick to try to start a train on JL. after spending some time reading though, DC is actually looking more innocent than i suspected and i also like his list. Sploke or RB have been kidnapped. I think its Sploke, and RB's lack of posts since nightfall is alarming

Ok Charlie could you clear something up for me here, if you had doubts JL and MM were evil...why would you post that you forgot to vote JL?? If you thought he wasn't evil why did you intend to vote for him??

I would assume it would be obvious, because we won't hear from them at all. The person who is not kidnapped and doesn't vote dies.

Ahh, duh didn't think of that:idea:

First I'd like to thank Ewurm before I post this! Ok now for my thought here on Ewurm, I have been saying he seems suspicious to me and here are just a few examples,
Before this post by Charlie, Charlie had asked him why he (Ewurm) thought JL to be evil. One of Ewurms reasons had something to do with JL's vote for CS, but he didn't answer to who his top suspects were so CS posted:

who are your top two suspects?

Instead of just answering this is what he posts???

Usually, someone is thankful for someone being suspicious of someone that voted for them. I had no feeling either way on you, but it has occurred to me that you and JL may be working together. So I'll say you and JL are my top suspects.

So because CS wanted to know Ewurms reason to find JL evil he now thinks CS is evil??

I would still like to hear from RB or Sploke, however.

Then he post's that he wants to hear from RB or Sploke (ok we all do) nothing really suspicious with that but right after posting this he posts:

I vote to stick a stake in JL.

For previous reasons given, plus, I think him and Charlie Stubbs may be working together.

Ok?? Well it may just be me but he just doesn't add up to me. Can anyone else give me their feelings on this...am I just looking to hard or does this really seem off?