MAFIA 10: Vampires!

Everyone is looking suspicious right now. I know there are four vamps right now. That gives us huge odds of staking one. But, there seems to be two, maybe three trains forming here. RB, charlie, and maybe JohnLarson.

A few points that I've seen as I caught up.

DD: This whole game is about picking through 'straws' to find the few tiny bits that point to one person over another. The same thing was done to mee-mee last night and she got rail-roaded for it. And now, that same argument is 'weak'. Do I think you guys are vamps? If you had asked me day one, I would have said, 'no', now though, I don't know.

On the other hand, I don't think that Z and DD would be so amateurish as to vote so obviously... but they are smart enough to try it once and see if someone will point out what I just did. Maybe a one time thing to save the LV... hmmm... wasn't JL the big vote leader until this happened?

RB: Why the delay in posting?

Sway: you have a list of people you think are innocent, who are they... or just everyone not previously mentioned?

Mad (and those responding to Mad's bandwagon post): I think I agree with your plan. There are four vamps, if our votes are split between two or three people, then one or two vamps can change everything. And they don't have to be the first or last votes.


My suspect list is: DD, Z, charlie, JohnLarson. Although charlie is the weakest 'feel' that I have and JohnLarson is moving back up quickly.

For now I vote to stake JohnLarson. Subject to change. I'm real curious as to who responds in what way to this.
 
OgreMkV said:
Sway: you have a list of people you think are innocent, who are they... or just everyone not previously mentioned?


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Correct, the people I did not mention as being suspected vamps I do consider innocent or at least leaning innocent.
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Well clearly I suck at quotes, I hope ya'll can still figure out that I was answering Ogre's question lol.
 
OgreMkV said:
Everyone is looking suspicious right now. I know there are four vamps right now. That gives us huge odds of staking one. But, there seems to be two, maybe three trains forming here. RB, charlie, and maybe JohnLarson.

A few points that I've seen as I caught up.

DD: This whole game is about picking through 'straws' to find the few tiny bits that point to one person over another. The same thing was done to mee-mee last night and she got rail-roaded for it. And now, that same argument is 'weak'. Do I think you guys are vamps? If you had asked me day one, I would have said, 'no', now though, I don't know.

On the other hand, I don't think that Z and DD would be so amateurish as to vote so obviously... but they are smart enough to try it once and see if someone will point out what I just did. Maybe a one time thing to save the LV... hmmm... wasn't JL the big vote leader until this happened?

RB: Why the delay in posting?

Sway: you have a list of people you think are innocent, who are they... or just everyone not previously mentioned?

Mad (and those responding to Mad's bandwagon post): I think I agree with your plan. There are four vamps, if our votes are split between two or three people, then one or two vamps can change everything. And they don't have to be the first or last votes.


My suspect list is: DD, Z, charlie, JohnLarson. Although charlie is the weakest 'feel' that I have and JohnLarson is moving back up quickly.

For now I vote to stake JohnLarson. Subject to change. I'm real curious as to who responds in what way to this.
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With the recent developments involving sploke, I've been thinking about who might be turned and I think you've touched on a decent list here....I'm deciding between voting for JL or CS, as per the fact that they were on my first list and they keep popping up on many others, but DD and Z have taken on that suspicious tone. I'll have to think about it in the shower.
 
Originally Posted by johnlarson66
Here is the post. Had doubts I was evil, but forgot to vote for JL (me) in the morning. I think he was on before the lynch with some left field (and worthless) vote for DC.
What i meant was after i read your post in the morning, i meant to change my vote to you as i really didn't get that you were being sarcastic with your ogre reason but i forgot to. When i got home from work it was late, and getting close to night. After changing my vote to you (in case i couldn't vote later, alot was going on here) and quickly skimming the thread and reading your explanation, i believed you weren't as suspicious as i first believed, and that DC may have been trying to get you lynched. I did not believe MM looked as evil as others did. But i really didn't think voting for you was a great idea either. So i voted for someone i thought was evil.
As Mad pointed out, he likes DC's list. DC's list is JL, CS, and sploke.
Until nightfall, you and Sploke were high on my list. Yes i was starting to have doubts about you, but by no means have i moved you to innocent. Of course now that RB has posted i can be sure Sploke is innocent, at least for now.
Well he has doubts I am evil and thinks sploke was kidnapped.
Now we know Sploke was kidnapped. Innocent for now. You on the other hand are removing any lingering doubts you are evil, my toothy friend.
With the choices left on the list, I like it also.

Feel free to vote for yourself Charlie. I think that is the only person you have not voted for yet.
I may have missed your sarcasm the first go round John, but i'm pretty sure i haven't missed it this time.
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Chas, your responses to JL are above in red....you mention that you liked JL and Sploke as vamps up to nightfall (Day 2). Deputy doesn't post his list (with which you agree) until Day 3, though. Why agree with the list on Day 3 when apparently you began thinking that Sploke and JL were less scummy on Day 2?
 
ewurm said:
This will be my last post until Sunday morning. I'll be out of town. I thought it funny that JL said he would vote for the first person to role play, and CS did it right away. I think they may be working together.
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I have voted for the first role player since game 3.

Someone has to be the first one. Unless there is no role playing. hmmmm.

If we are working together, he got screwed over for a partner, I am trying to stake him. Maybe Ogre and I are working together, he is trying to stake me.
 
Good Morning! As I said last night I take responsibility for the MM fiasco. I'll answer what I've seen pop up since, if theres anything else I'll be around today.

Lady G said:
I have to post this I am sorry just looking for some answers it is just eating at me. This is to DD and Z, now I said I wouldn't use the MM thing against you, and I'm not but I have noticed a pattern here that I REALLY would like cleared up. Until I noticed this I thought nothing of you two but now I have to bring this up.
It started with this post here Z:

Now what caught my attention was the way you wrote this..Why did you word it as "soon as WE voted MM"..yes I know you both voted the same time but that wording is what got me thinking and looking back at things you both have said. And I found some interesting things when I did...

Yes "we" means DD and I. We were both online and active at the time and she seemed to be having the same stream of thought as I. I didn't perceive that to sound like we are teamed up, it was just a recap of the current situation.

Ok here DD first post say's it's safe to assume guppy is innocent...then posts


Now she is voting Guppy after she just said that she must be innocent.


You also announce that guppy must be innocent b/c of kidnapping then you come back and post:

Now you too think Guppy is Vamp?


Then DD comes back again saying NO she doesn't seem Vamp but didn't unvote her.


Now you take away your vote, for some reason I missed DD's retract vote but it was after yours.

Now is where the MM thing starts...

DD points out this contradiction and your next post you:

So you vote MM and the very next post here is DD doing the same:


Guy's I'm more than a little worried here...you are posting together on MANY things please help me feel better about this.
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Once again, this looks like we were following one another because no one else was posting at the time. I hope you can see the slip that Mee-Mee seemed to make in her reasons for voting. Right after Day 2 began I assumed that GGF was evil because of the way the newspaper read. As soon as Ice explained that a person was turned and the newspaper was wrong I retracted from GGF as it was now assumed that she was Innocent. I voted for JL as I don't really like his one-sided quest he seems to be on to stake CS. I just haven't seen enough from CS except for his unusual lack of posting. When MM made her vote and her very flawed reasoning the JL vote suddenly seemed like a train. So I switched. I wish I would have stayed on JL and he is probably my vote today, but it is still very early.

Madcrawdad said:
Z, I understand your hesitation regarding the bandwagon idea. Unfortunately problems may develop when you have lurkers. People can just park votes, ride them to the lynch, and then say they were too busy to unvote, etc. EVERYBODY would need to be pretty involved with the game.

I think that bandwagons, though, could prove somewhat useful in rooting out scum. Whether a bandwagon leads to a lynch or not, at some point you might know a person's status (vamp v. village) who was at least questioned by the angry mob. Once that's revealed, you'd be able to look back on the bandwagon to see who got on the bandwagon vs. who stayed off. Of those getting on, who pushed the hardest, and who didn't push much at all....things like that might prove helpful in identifying alliances.

Keep in mind that the bandwagon idea is more to be used as an information gathering tool as opposed to a lynch tool. People would need to be able to move votes pretty quickly (usually to unvote a person who seemed to pass the test). Problem is that it's usually pretty hard to get folks to quickly move their votes.
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Yes your stipulation for the bandwagon are why I am not real keen on it. The last few games have shown that people are getting complacent, maybe it is burnout, that I can't say. But a lot of folks ARE parking votes and that can't work for a bandwagon, it simply becomes a train.

johnlarson66 said:
There has been a lot of posts, but not as much information as I was hoping for.
Why do you always say that? I'm collecting plenty of information.
The nightly kidnapping is going to be a strange twist. The not knowing who it is, well that is going to take some getting used to.
Fairly easy to figure out who is Kidnapped... sploke
Is the not posting / not voting and you die rule for every day or just Day One? I thought it was just the first day, but need to check. I wish that rule was on the first page. I will search later.
Rule is on the first page, and it applies for the whole game length.
If it is just for the first day, then what will stop someone from "pretending" to be kidnapped. Right now there are 2 people that could have been kidnapped, we know only one is. We will not know who was. Only the kidnapper will.
This is not a possible scenario, no vote and you die, unless kidnapped
I am still suprised I was not staked. I think having all those votes may have kept me from being turned, and hopefully keep me from being turned. I do not think I would turn me with one of the guarenteed turns. Too many people expect me to be scummy.
No no no no, the LV had to pick the turn BEFORE the Day began. They would of had no idea you were going to be the lead vote getter. Why is this rule hard to understand? Of course its over now, I assume the votes can go in any time now since it has switched to 50-50.
I think CS is still a good canidate for being a vampire.

My vote is not because he role played. That was day one.

It is the third day I have voted for him and he has been jumping all over the place. He could have been the vote that staked me, but instead threw a vote away. He continues to toss votes out there.

He wanted to be able to say he did not vote for me or think I was even a vampire when I came up innocent.

He has a quote somewhere, I will find it and paste it, but it said something to the affect that he did not think I was a vampire, but forgot to vote for me. I will find it and post. I might be reading it wrong or reading into it.
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I agree CS isn't posting enough and even seems a bit off, but I haven't seen enough to say he is a vamp.
OgreMkV said:
Everyone is looking suspicious right now. I know there are four vamps right now. That gives us huge odds of staking one. But, there seems to be two, maybe three trains forming here. RB, charlie, and maybe JohnLarson.

A few points that I've seen as I caught up.

DD: This whole game is about picking through 'straws' to find the few tiny bits that point to one person over another. The same thing was done to mee-mee last night and she got rail-roaded for it. And now, that same argument is 'weak'. Do I think you guys are vamps? If you had asked me day one, I would have said, 'no', now though, I don't know.

On the other hand, I don't think that Z and DD would be so amateurish as to vote so obviously... but they are smart enough to try it once and see if someone will point out what I just did. Maybe a one time thing to save the LV... hmmm... wasn't JL the big vote leader until this happened?

RB: Why the delay in posting?

Sway: you have a list of people you think are innocent, who are they... or just everyone not previously mentioned?

Mad (and those responding to Mad's bandwagon post): I think I agree with your plan. There are four vamps, if our votes are split between two or three people, then one or two vamps can change everything. And they don't have to be the first or last votes.


My suspect list is: DD, Z, charlie, JohnLarson. Although charlie is the weakest 'feel' that I have and JohnLarson is moving back up quickly.

For now I vote to stake JohnLarson. Subject to change. I'm real curious as to who responds in what way to this.
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Explained my reasoning best I could up above. Please don't lump DD and myself together, she is just one person I believed to be an Innocent up until last Night (That is not saying I believe she is Evil now, it is only saying that at Night things change.) Hopefully if you read through this post you can see where I was coming from. Other questions just ask, I have nothing to hide.
 
I want to point out something about this whole vote for no one thing.

In the game where we had two groups of rebels, I just suggested that we talk about voting no one and had to defend my comments for the whole game. I thought with the different game that it could be an option.

In this game. There has been a few votes for no one. ggf was almost staked for it, but the person suggesting it and the person that actually voted for no one on day one have not been held accountable.

Instead both of these people have wanted to stake me. I am also unsure why.

Direct Questions:

Ogre, why did you suggest to vote no one and then after ggf followed your advice vote for her? What was your reason for voting for ggf?

Ewurm, why did you vote for no one on Day 1? What were you hoping to learn of gain from that? Do you think voting for no one helps or hurts the town?
 
Guys, I just want to remind everyone that whomever is taken out, whether they be innocent or vampy, we need to look at the lists and see who is being voted for and if there is a push for certain people.
 
IceH2O said:
7) IF YOU DO NOT POST OR VOTE IN THE 1ST DAY/NIGHT CYCLE YOU DIE NO EXCEPTIONS. IF YOU THINK THAT YOU WILL BE MISSING THAT MUCH TIME THEN DON'T JOIN.
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From page one. I think it has been changed to any day/night cycles.
 
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