Zombies -- Mafia #11

[IceH2O]

Here is a part of a post that has not been answered -



Ice, whose company on me did you not like?

Why did you not vote for them?

To refresh your memory, Mad has created a recap of the votes:



So on me at the time of your change was ewurm and Lady G. Why no did you not like their company? Which one did you not like? Was it both?

Your list of three that you would turn that you said is four, but listed 5 names is:

BKW
JL
Sway
ewurm
jpap

Ice, you are the one that saved me, but you think I am already a Zombie, but it was you that swung it from me to CS.

I don't/didn't trust LG but darn nice case against you. I wanted to also give you another day and see if you helped us. If you are zombie I'd kick my own *** for pulling off of you. So you better not be, but I'll be watching you for the next 48 hours. Don't climb into a hole and hide either or I'll send in my bloodhounds to drag you out.

Then I couldn't jump to LG because DC was there and I already didn't trust him.

Ogre was the only one I could really jump on and somewhat trust the people but even DD gives me headaches on trying to figure her out.

So I figured without being sure on who was what I'd rather take out someone I knew was gone anyway. That way I wasn't accidentally taking out a Power Role.

I threw in the 5th so as to not let them fly under the radar.
If you look I named everyone except DC who I already thought is Zombie.


Like I said my vote isn't set in stone and after a night of sleep I'm not even sure its a strong enough case.

I retract my vote on DC

In most games this move would have been frowned upon and maybe DC hasn't looked at how strategy has to differ in this game.

I'm going to see what transpires over the day. Hopefully JL comes out with some more suspects but his list is very weak to me ATM.

 

[Swayde]

I'm starting to think that 1 of JL, DC and LG may possibly be a zombie, I do not believe 2 or even all 3 are and I am not even sure enough that one is to vote for one of them.

My suspicions are on Bkw, Ewurm, DD and Coler because if they aren't already zombies I believe they are good turn candidates (there's your answer JL) because they are the harder to read folks and generally less vocal. Coler is the most vocal, but due to his time zone differences, which he's already pointed out, he does manage to stay out of the limelight come evenings when most people are actively playing. I've also never actually played with Coler so I don't know his style. He was hit by the mafia night 1 in my first game.

Going to hold off on my vote until I've had more time to review posts and see how and what people are posting now that Night 1 is behind us.

 

[OgreMkV]

First off, mainly we were saying that the sheriff should not come out and beside that not "defend" someone s/he know's is innocent instead just vote, build a case for someone else. Sure you weren't afraid ppl were helping the sheriff to much, that was my first thougt when reading this post.

I screwed up the "quote" when I went to type but this is from his post 148:

If I am lynched, then (for the record) I do not think that Coler is a zombie at this point. I also like mad, sway, and ice as innocents. BTW: This is valid for today only... stupid zombies.
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Yes, Ice he did point out who he thought to be innocent,


Pointing out exactly how we could "loose" the game, or how zombies could win depending on how you read it.

The zombies probably all ready know this... I'm just making sure everyone in town is well informed.

Just to point out, Ogre voted mad long before the end of the night, was he trying to get others to follow him, knowing he is innocent and since he hasn't posted much thinking they would follow, or did he really think Charlie to be guilty?

Charlie was playing (or not playing) very uncharacteristically. At least I didn't make a retaliatory vote

Now I'm courious how a "sudden surge" in votes would be zombies, since there are only 2 at that point, they may but I doubt both would jump on the same person, and two is hardly a sudden surge..but just in case he survives remember his "weirdness". Well we will remember something about Charlie..he was innocent, and I have a feeling you may of known this.

As I've explained at least once (I think twice now). At the time, the votes were 3,2,2,1,1... two zombie votes could easily change any of these to the lynch target of their choice.

Again quoting how we can loose the game.

I believe that this was in response to someone else asking the question...



Oh and for the third time we could loose on the third night...well here he say's the zombies could win. Guess he want's to make sure we know that by night 3 the zombies could win the game.[/quote]

OK, this last one was the one that was in response to someone asking the question.

As it stands LadyG is a significant suspect. I think all of the cases she made were pretty weak. I'm curious that in the case against me, she didn't bring up the Coler/Ogre discussion (ahem) at all.

I'm starting to wonder if maybe LadyG has been zombie all along and is protecting Coler... maybe a recent turn victim?

 

[Lady G]

Yes, Ice he did point out who he thought to be innocent,


Pointing out exactly how we could "loose" the game, or how zombies could win depending on how you read it.

The zombies probably all ready know this... I'm just making sure everyone in town is well informed.

Just to point out, Ogre voted mad long before the end of the night, was he trying to get others to follow him, knowing he is innocent and since he hasn't posted much thinking they would follow, or did he really think Charlie to be guilty?

Charlie was playing (or not playing) very uncharacteristically. At least I didn't make a retaliatory vote

Now I'm courious how a "sudden surge" in votes would be zombies, since there are only 2 at that point, they may but I doubt both would jump on the same person, and two is hardly a sudden surge..but just in case he survives remember his "weirdness". Well we will remember something about Charlie..he was innocent, and I have a feeling you may of known this.

As I've explained at least once (I think twice now). At the time, the votes were 3,2,2,1,1... two zombie votes could easily change any of these to the lynch target of their choice.

Again quoting how we can loose the game.

I believe that this was in response to someone else asking the question...



Oh and for the third time we could loose on the third night...well here he say's the zombies could win. Guess he want's to make sure we know that by night 3 the zombies could win the game.

OK, this last one was the one that was in response to someone asking the question.

As it stands LadyG is a significant suspect. I think all of the cases she made were pretty weak. I'm curious that in the case against me, she didn't bring up the Coler/Ogre discussion (ahem) at all.

I'm starting to wonder if maybe LadyG has been zombie all along and is protecting Coler... maybe a recent turn victim?
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The Coler/Ogre thing has already been disussed, quite a bit..I think it is pretty obvious that is why many felt the evilness from you Orge.

 

[Lady G]

Ok, this is what your response was to the one that said votes were 3,2,2,1,1,. The post wasn't really a question, but I can see where you would answer it. My point was though how many times you have pointed out how/when we could loose. Although this could be good, for innocents...it can also be seen as you pointing out how zombie's could win.
As I said of the 3 you are most likely the one I would lean most innocent, not saying I think you are innocent...obviously I am not sure, and many others are reading you as evil too. Last game really through me off though with the DD, Mad thing as I have pointed out, so I worry a bit how I look at others and how I vote.

I think DC KNEW Charlie was innocent and thats why the big hub bub about us voting charlie off.

Nice cover DC, protect the dead.

Like I said earlier no info was going to be found out with the votes spread out like they were. Zombies don't have the numbers to actually force a lynch and zombies wouldn't vote out an untimely death. It doesn't help them.

I too think DC knew Charlie was innocent. I just don't think he has done anything to "help".

Yes, Ice he did point out who he thought to be innocent,


Pointing out exactly how we could "loose" the game, or how zombies could win depending on how you read it.

The zombies probably all ready know this... I'm just making sure everyone in town is well informed.
I can accept that as a reason to point it out, it just seems you have pointed it out ALOT. Now could be a townie worried that by day 3 we can loose the game...what I would like to know is how you think we can WIN the game, how many day's would that play out to be and such?

Just to point out, Ogre voted mad long before the end of the night, was he trying to get others to follow him, knowing he is innocent and since he hasn't posted much thinking they would follow, or did he really think Charlie to be guilty?
Oops, that should of read Ogre voted Charlie, not Mad.
Charlie was playing (or not playing) very uncharacteristically. At least I didn't make a retaliatory vote

Now I'm courious how a "sudden surge" in votes would be zombies, since there are only 2 at that point, they may but I doubt both would jump on the same person, and two is hardly a sudden surge..but just in case he survives remember his "weirdness". Well we will remember something about Charlie..he was innocent, and I have a feeling you may of known this.

As I've explained at least once (I think twice now). At the time, the votes were 3,2,2,1,1... two zombie votes could easily change any of these to the lynch target of their choice.
I highly doubt they would be so obvious as to jump on the same person at the end of a night.

Again quoting how we can loose the game.

I believe that this was in response to someone else asking the question...
Yes it was to Ice the post at the top, I added it so you and others can see what you were responding too, I should of added it in my original post.

Oh and for the third time we could loose on the third night...well here he say's the zombies could win. Guess he want's to make sure we know that by night 3 the zombies could win the game.

OK, this last one was the one that was in response to someone asking the question.

As it stands LadyG is a significant suspect. I think all of the cases she made were pretty weak. I'm curious that in the case against me, she didn't bring up the Coler/Ogre discussion (ahem) at all.
Everyone is a "significant" suspect Orge. Yes, I believe ppl should look at me too, but I don't see where my cases were "weak" it seems pretty obvious (I would think), I am trying to help point out the bad. A "weak" case would be "I vote so/so because they have fooled me before", that is weak.

I'm starting to wonder if maybe LadyG has been zombie all along and is protecting Coler... maybe a recent turn victim?
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Haven't you named me before..guess I'll have to go back and see but if so why are you "begining" to think it. If not, is it because I named you? Also what part of my case seems "weak" to you?

 

[Lady G]

I'm starting to think that 1 of JL, DC and LG may possibly be a zombie, I do not believe 2 or even all 3 are and I am not even sure enough that one is to vote for one of them.

My suspicions are on Bkw, Ewurm, DD and Coler because if they aren't already zombies I believe they are good turn candidates (there's your answer JL) because they are the harder to read folks and generally less vocal. Coler is the most vocal, but due to his time zone differences, which he's already pointed out, he does manage to stay out of the limelight come evenings when most people are actively playing. I've also never actually played with Coler so I don't know his style. He was hit by the mafia night 1 in my first game.

Going to hold off on my vote until I've had more time to review posts and see how and what people are posting now that Night 1 is behind us.

See I keep going back and forth on both JL and DC being evil, I see nothing on either to make me see innocent on either though...so I have to lean more to them both being zombie.
For this reason, I am in a toss up with Orge. If both JL and DC are zombie then I don't think he can be since we only had 2 in the begining, and with all the heat that has been on Orge I can't see him as a night 1 turn. But there are soo many things pointing to Orge being evil, so this is a hard one for me.

 

[Lady G]

edit: I forgot to add also if Orge is zombie, then one of JL or DC isn't, I don't see either of them being a first night turn either for the same reason...I don't htink they would pick someone htat everyone already think evil.

 

[Dangerdoll]

Everyone is a "significant" suspect Orge. Yes, I believe ppl should look at me too, but I don't see where my cases were "weak" it seems pretty obvious (I would think), I am trying to help point out the bad. A "weak" case would be "I vote so/so because they have fooled me before", that is weak.

I'm starting to wonder if maybe LadyG has been zombie all along and is protecting Coler... maybe a recent turn victim?

hmmm.... I believe it was my cases yesterday that were accused of being "weak" too.... I think there is a pattern. It was either Ogre or Coler that said so, let me go back and find that....

 

[johnlarson66]

I'm going to see what transpires over the day. Hopefully JL comes out with some more suspects but his list is very weak to me ATM.

What is up with everyoe using the word "weak"?

My suspect list is just as good as anyone elses.

I am still not buying the "let's lynch someone that was already dying, atleast they are not a power role" tatic.

This has been discussed and discouraged in other games. Just like voting for no one, it hurts the town. For the three of you to do that within the last 2 hours, seems odd to me.

Plus, Ice, you think I am a zombie, but you saved me. This I do not understand. If I read it right, you voted for CS for two reasons, one DC was against it and he is a zombie so you were for it and two, if CS was going to die for not voting, most likely he was not a power role or a zombie, but it was better than voting for an unknown player that could be innocent or a power role.

If you think I am a zombie, then vote for me. There are plenty others that agree. But to post that I am a zombie and then save me makes no sense.

Even if it was not me, this is odd. How come no one else has seen this or posted about it?

 

[johnlarson66]

I'm starting to think that 1 of JL, DC and LG may possibly be a zombie, I do not believe 2 or even all 3 are and I am not even sure enough that one is to vote for one of them.

My suspicions are on Bkw, Ewurm, DD and Coler because if they aren't already zombies I believe they are good turn candidates (there's your answer JL) because they are the harder to read folks and generally less vocal. Coler is the most vocal, but due to his time zone differences, which he's already pointed out, he does manage to stay out of the limelight come evenings when most people are actively playing. I've also never actually played with Coler so I don't know his style. He was hit by the mafia night 1 in my first game.

Going to hold off on my vote until I've had more time to review posts and see how and what people are posting now that Night 1 is behind us.

I wish you would vote, it can always be changed. I wish more people would throw an early vote out there, just so we can get an idea of how strong people feel about things.

I think this would stop a few trains, too often people vote for someone just because they have a few votes on them already.

If CS would have atleast thrown out a vote, he would still be in the game. I see lots of good reasons to vote early. That way if something happens and I am not able to come online, I still have voted. I think I have always voted early.