that's an interesting list KOTD, I'm just glad you are thinking of me in some way.
Or voting for CCM... though it's too easy.
Mafia #15....The Play....
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Or voting for CCM... though it's too easy.
BOO!!!!!
Was the issue of after death posts ever resolved??? I'm confused
The troublesome tingling in Charlie's "yogurt slinger" is a constant distraction. He had recently been to New York and used a public toilet. Ever since something hasn't quite been right. Too busy scratching and fiddling, he forgets to lock his door before bed. This mistake proves fatal (although the clap could have been cured). He doesn't hear the evil scumbags enter. He is sleeping soundly, Mr Potato Head snuggled close, when he is dispatched to the afterworld with the music of his snapping bones in his ears.
The End??????
AAAAAAaaaaaaRRRRrrrrrrOOOOOOooooooo
Was the issue of after death posts ever resolved??? I'm confused
The troublesome tingling in Charlie's "yogurt slinger" is a constant distraction. He had recently been to New York and used a public toilet. Ever since something hasn't quite been right. Too busy scratching and fiddling, he forgets to lock his door before bed. This mistake proves fatal (although the clap could have been cured). He doesn't hear the evil scumbags enter. He is sleeping soundly, Mr Potato Head snuggled close, when he is dispatched to the afterworld with the music of his snapping bones in his ears.
The End??????
AAAAAAaaaaaaRRRRrrrrrrOOOOOOooooooo
Woo-Whooo again townies!!! You suck Mafia!! Charlie I will do my best to avenge you!!!!
Well, I guess I have to start out addressing Ice here,
Yes, I said I voted Brains/Weezer for confusing me in the begining of the game. I had been at work when it started and didn't have a chance to get on until the next day right before work, I tried to get caught up as best I could before I took off so I could post before going to work. It was a mess because of the whole brains/weezer issue, so yes I said that.
As for the next post, yes I was honest and said I wasn't sure what I wanted to do, so what? I didn't want to be stuck on one person, and Ogre was sticking out pretty big at this time. I had just got home from work, it was 1am and before I truly put a vote in I wanted to look more at things, is this a bad thing?
Yep, I thought Blue looked Mafia...still do and at the time Brains hadn't posted much the only thing I was really sure of at that point on him was he was Weezer, I'm sorry I wanted to give him a chance to prove/disprove himself before deciding if he was truly mafia. I never said he WASN"T mafia, just that I wasn't sure.
Again, yes at that point it did look like you were possibly coming to Blues rescue and as I said, I was trying to look at others not just one person.
Now for your caught post, yes I asked about it I think I have explained why. I wasn't confused about Brains, I was confused about the post in itself, NOT Brains.
I wasn't trying to "tie" you into DD and Blue if I was I would of said more about you. Yes, I felt DD may be mafia, and I put an effort at a case stating that she was a hard one to build a case around...I wasn't sure and I thought I saw some things that looked mafia about her, after reading others thoughts I realized I had indeed over reacted and stated that , I apologized to DD and since have seen her post as more helpful. Blue on the other hand no I haven't changed my mind about.
I never defended Brains, why is it if someone has any other opinion about someone you say it's defending, I never said he wasn't mafia or that I thought he was innocent or leaning innocent, the only thing I said was I wasn't sure...I don't see that as "defending" anything.
Then you say I threw suspicions at Charlie...No I didn't just because I say someones name in a post doesn't mean I find them suspicious Ice, In fact Ice at the begining of the post I said I believe DD and JL to be mafia IF I was talking about Charlie, I would of said Charlie too.
Again you point out my suspicions to DD and JL, YEP that is FACT at the time I was still seeing DD as mafia"ish" JL well he still does seem that way to me.
Then you say what happend to Blue, Charlie and Ice...well I never said Ice or Charlie, and yep still think Blue looks mafia to me if you noticed I said my TOP THREE are and at that time yep they were.
Then you go on to say I have named half the town? No I named DD, JL, Blue, (Brains and Ogre) were a given. Anyway half the town is Mafia, so even if I had named half the town so what?
My list wasn't really "new" Ice yes I added CCM and Bkw to it, this was much later in the game and everyone was asked to put out a list I did just that, sorry if it's not exactly what you wanted it to be...so which is it you think I'm wrong on?
Then you want to chastise me for asking about if we should talk about who we want to hit?? I had a thought I put it out there sorry again if it doesn't fit into your cookie cutter perfect outlook.
Yes, I switched to Ogre as did MANY, I was going to work knew I wouldn't be back on and wanted to make sure I got my vote in, and if I left it on Brains instead you would be coming at me saying how I didn't come off Brains cause it was a "safe" mafia vote :y220d:
I didn't all the sudden take my vote off DD because no one "jumped" on, I rethought my case realized I had over reacted STATED IT WITH AN APOLOGY to her, and didn't vote anyone until later. Again if I hadn't voted him you would be jumping all over me for that too.
So vote me it's your choice.
Well, I guess I have to start out addressing Ice here,
Yes, I said I voted Brains/Weezer for confusing me in the begining of the game. I had been at work when it started and didn't have a chance to get on until the next day right before work, I tried to get caught up as best I could before I took off so I could post before going to work. It was a mess because of the whole brains/weezer issue, so yes I said that.
As for the next post, yes I was honest and said I wasn't sure what I wanted to do, so what? I didn't want to be stuck on one person, and Ogre was sticking out pretty big at this time. I had just got home from work, it was 1am and before I truly put a vote in I wanted to look more at things, is this a bad thing?
Yep, I thought Blue looked Mafia...still do and at the time Brains hadn't posted much the only thing I was really sure of at that point on him was he was Weezer, I'm sorry I wanted to give him a chance to prove/disprove himself before deciding if he was truly mafia. I never said he WASN"T mafia, just that I wasn't sure.
Again, yes at that point it did look like you were possibly coming to Blues rescue and as I said, I was trying to look at others not just one person.
Now for your caught post, yes I asked about it I think I have explained why. I wasn't confused about Brains, I was confused about the post in itself, NOT Brains.
I wasn't trying to "tie" you into DD and Blue if I was I would of said more about you. Yes, I felt DD may be mafia, and I put an effort at a case stating that she was a hard one to build a case around...I wasn't sure and I thought I saw some things that looked mafia about her, after reading others thoughts I realized I had indeed over reacted and stated that , I apologized to DD and since have seen her post as more helpful. Blue on the other hand no I haven't changed my mind about.
I never defended Brains, why is it if someone has any other opinion about someone you say it's defending, I never said he wasn't mafia or that I thought he was innocent or leaning innocent, the only thing I said was I wasn't sure...I don't see that as "defending" anything.
Then you say I threw suspicions at Charlie...No I didn't just because I say someones name in a post doesn't mean I find them suspicious Ice, In fact Ice at the begining of the post I said I believe DD and JL to be mafia IF I was talking about Charlie, I would of said Charlie too.
Again you point out my suspicions to DD and JL, YEP that is FACT at the time I was still seeing DD as mafia"ish" JL well he still does seem that way to me.
Then you say what happend to Blue, Charlie and Ice...well I never said Ice or Charlie, and yep still think Blue looks mafia to me if you noticed I said my TOP THREE are and at that time yep they were.
Then you go on to say I have named half the town? No I named DD, JL, Blue, (Brains and Ogre) were a given. Anyway half the town is Mafia, so even if I had named half the town so what?
My list wasn't really "new" Ice yes I added CCM and Bkw to it, this was much later in the game and everyone was asked to put out a list I did just that, sorry if it's not exactly what you wanted it to be...so which is it you think I'm wrong on?
Then you want to chastise me for asking about if we should talk about who we want to hit?? I had a thought I put it out there sorry again if it doesn't fit into your cookie cutter perfect outlook.
Yes, I switched to Ogre as did MANY, I was going to work knew I wouldn't be back on and wanted to make sure I got my vote in, and if I left it on Brains instead you would be coming at me saying how I didn't come off Brains cause it was a "safe" mafia vote :y220d:
I didn't all the sudden take my vote off DD because no one "jumped" on, I rethought my case realized I had over reacted STATED IT WITH AN APOLOGY to her, and didn't vote anyone until later. Again if I hadn't voted him you would be jumping all over me for that too.
So vote me it's your choice.
I never said I was confused about WHO brains was, I never asked for THAT to be explained over and over, what I had a question about was the POST. Plain and simple the post messed with me and I asked about it, wow I guess I shouldn't ask any more questions in this game, I hadn't seen a post like that before and wasn't sure about it (a pulled edited post) and, as I have said it started with Weezer and something about plasitc plants the way it was posted DID confuse me SO WHAT, :huh: It had nothing to do with me being confused about WHO Brains was.
brains = mafia = gee I nearly fell off my chair with surprise.
to HN/Ice - the post you question was made with 12 hours left in the game day I think. So you were all in work ? I don't know where you live or work. Being the only player in GMT I just don't worry about that. Plus, you'll have as many people with net access in work as won't.
Say what you like, I know I'm not a mafia and I've been on brains since the get go, following my conclusion (in my own head, which is where I like my conclusions to come from) that the brains/weezer thing was a mafia tell and not capable of an innocent explanation.
I guess you're pretty relieved to still be alive HN - not that I have thought of you as mafia compared to others up to now. You still don't make my list which is as already posted.
to HN/Ice - the post you question was made with 12 hours left in the game day I think. So you were all in work ? I don't know where you live or work. Being the only player in GMT I just don't worry about that. Plus, you'll have as many people with net access in work as won't.
Say what you like, I know I'm not a mafia and I've been on brains since the get go, following my conclusion (in my own head, which is where I like my conclusions to come from) that the brains/weezer thing was a mafia tell and not capable of an innocent explanation.
I guess you're pretty relieved to still be alive HN - not that I have thought of you as mafia compared to others up to now. You still don't make my list which is as already posted.
You weren't implicating Charlie?
Maybe you should look at the posts again.
On your list of people you even state Charlie-Even though he seems to think I was implicating him, I have him more innocent at this time.
So I guess I'm not the only one to see it.
Need some more proof that you were tying him to DD?
Then Charlie finishes up the little interaction "kinda" agreeing with DD, and adding a Howl at the end of the quote.
Now Charlie comes back on him, after voting Ice himself and questions him why?
Who follows suit....
Yep, DD...now she has said nothing about anyone elses votes at this point which all seem to pretty much be random w/o reason, but CC she comments on
Oh, she even reminds Charlie he needs to bold the lynch switch....so Charlie has switchs votes 3 times already, yet she say's nothing about it.
Now why would you bring these statements up if you weren't trying to tie Charlie to DD who at the time was one of your highest mafia possibilities.
You were on Brains from the start? You might want to look at Plants post 680 and the post she quoted of your list of post 88.
Possible teams : 1) Ogre, Ice, Charlie 2) DD, Judgemax, Lady G.
No mention of Brains on this list, you know the guy you were on from the start?
At post 221 Brains still isn't your best suspect and neither is Ogre who at this point has 5 votes on him. Your best suspect is Plantling and its based on gut feeling.
Final thought on this...if it is an innocent explanation (and I don't care what anyone says that is at least plausible) then you have to kind of look at Ice who jumped all over it, and I must say I have/had Ice down as innocent except for this
Here you make sure to remind everyone that I started the Brains issue and if he turns up innocent that I need to be looked at.
Then you vote for me (Ice)
I think (still think) ice made too much of a big deal about it.
Still trying to keep the suspicion off Brains
So exactly when do you consider the start?
You're usually sharper then this Coler. My votes on LG but could easily jump to you if needed.
As far as I can tell Blue her only reason seems to be the alleged use of Mod powers.
you are correct - I was not on brains day 1, but from daybreak on day 2 and this is what I meant; I accept that my post was therefore loose.
Your post is however pretty loaded; objective fact, my vote was on brains from the start of day 2 and did not shift.
Objective fact, sure I said that seeing as how there is discussion on others it may be worth running votes on them, while there is plenty of time left in the day. I stand over that - I was asking if there was a consensus that it was worth doing.
I would prefer not to still be defending myself on the day 1 brains/weezer discussion - my early contributions to it were to confirm that you can edit without an edit being apparent (which is a matter of factual accuracy. I would have to look but I seem to recall that people were questioning whether this was possible) and to point at ice's leading role in circumstances where the thing (which turned out to be a fatal slip) was at one point capable of innocent explanation (which of course, we never got but that was as the day/night/next day developed) and that it was possible that too much was being made of it. I also voted for ice at one point - so be it. Ogre turning up mafia leads then to the obvious conclusion that this was an unlikely mafia sacrifice and far more likely renders ice practically a known innocent who read the situation correctly from the start, having caught the slip.
My next contribution was to vote for brains/weezer - Ogre, a known mafia, having defended him, and to highlight the somewhat strange explanations/theories that were being put forward on day 2 for his innocence This is totally distinct in my eyes from asking whether there was any consensus on also running votes on another suspect. The first approach is to try and fly the 'brains might be innocent' kite. The second, and my approach on day 2, was to explore whether more mafia can be flushed out. I absolutely stand over my approach. There is also a difference between pointing out that there is a possible innocent explanation, and putting forward possible innocent explanations - I never did the latter.
As I said, I would prefer not to be defending myself on it, but I have no problem in doing so and in addressing any argument anyone cares to make - it all adds to the information available which is only ever a good thing for the town.
Before anyone jumps on one final thing, no I have not read up on a case for captain caveman despite my promise to do so. This is for real world reasons of time. I see others have highlighted him in any event and he is obviously a good suspect. I would also be happy to explore the other names on my list of mafia suspects.
I have no problem answering this :
1. When do I consider the start - you are correct, this was loose language. I do not of course say that I was on brains from the start of the game. I meant the start of this game day. This is objectively true (my voting on day 2). I do accept the criticism that what I post could have been taken to be me saying brains was on my list from the start.
2. What possible problem can you have with me saying that if it turns out brains was innocent ice would have to be looked at - this would be a matter of logic. I am glad that you also have very fairly included the whole of that quote - I have/had (have/had being conditional on brains' status) ice as innocent except from this. I stand over this entirely as being completely fair on my part and entirely reflective of my thoughts, which I have no problem sharing for the good of the innocents.
3. Saying I still think too much of a big deal is being made out of it; *shrug* so what - my position on brains as mafia at that point was still fluid at that point on day 1.
4. I did also ask whether there was a consensus on running votes on others aside from brains - on whom my own vote never wavered. This is entirely different from a) voting for someone else or b) putting out kites/feelers/theories that brains could be innocent - both of which were attempted by some.
5. Going back to day 1, stating that something was capable of innocent explanation, is entirely different from offering an innocent explanation on brains' behalf, which was attempted by some.
6. Going back to day 2, I spent the time largely highlighting the untenable theories/daydreams/kites which were defensive of brains or sought to explain his mistake. This again I stand over entirely.
I will argue my case as much as is necessary. This is all part of the information gathering process. My own list of suspects look good for me and I am pretty happy with my read on the game.
Finally, I accept that I have not pulled out the captain caveman quotes despite saying I would do so .I can see from others that he is worthy of suspect status and will catch up on him myself in due course when time allows. This is in no way a defence of capt. cavey, but in a situation where paranioa legitimately dominates I wanted to try and make myself clear.
