Mafia 17: Vampires

[charlie_stubbs]

Is anyone else concerned about Jo and the "oops I kinda forgot about the game" thing?

Is this the question(s) I missed??? If it is, yes I am concerned by Joe's post. "I forgot i was playing." WTF is that???

Call me paranoid, but when have you ever had trouble finding suspects? I also posted some questions to you which you apparently missed. Now you come back after more than a 24 hour absense and simply hop on the current train? I gotta say this looks really suspicious man. If JL shows up with any sort of decent explanation I think I'll move my vote to you in hopes that others will review your posts.

Any questions I may have missed, please refer to the post #'s, and I would be happy to answer, to the best of my ability.

Each game seems harder and harder to find solid suspects. As JL noted, people who seem suspicious make good suspects because they are suspicious and people who aren't suspicious make good suspects because they aren't suspicious. I basically think everyone but me is a vampire, and my suspect list today isn't any different than day 1. Everyone is still my prime suspect. You're all vampires IMO.

 

[clown-lover]

Ok so taking from my last people of creating/following trains I have pulled up some other posts in my review of the thread that is making me think more and more that Jpappy might either be the LV or one of imps of satan..

Man oh man I screwed my vote up. Bad night but RL is more important. I am completely lost now that two of my suspects are dead, and were innocents. Still most suspicious of niko but I really dont have a lot on him to justify a vote this day/night cycle. Lg DID go after blue hard but so did I and she does have a tendency to get in the middle of "controversy" but the way she kept bringing back the post of mine that started this made me I little wary of her. Jm is still on my radar as well, but like I said, I do not know exactly where to go. Glad we have some extra time.

I saw this post.. Jpaps vote was on Blue both Night 1 and Night 2.. And notice how he basically blaming LadyG for his vote on Blue..

Blue were you on one of the trains? No. So why single those out who also weren't?

Your post that you referred said that you did not think that both vamps voted for Kuhli, so which way is it?

And if you really meant that you didnt think that both vamps voted together, for anyone, then why do you think their is a "connection" between me and Lg? If your theory is correct, wouldnt that mean we are both innocent???

He calls out Blue for the connection between him and LG but later in the game he is distancing himself and basically saying there was a connection.. Blue saw it and now he is trying to brush it off..

The case against andi definitely makes more sense when all the posts are put together...they are sometimes so few and so spread out I forget she is playing. But the niko as hunter thing is really giving me trouble...though it IS nikos fisrt PR, if it was a vet as the hunter I would be very suspicious of them taking out a person only they were really looking at.

Then we come to this and his subsequent posts.. Notice how he is jumping on an established train on Andi... Its not that she doesn't look suspicious to me.. She does in fact looks suspicious to me.. However I'm looking deeper than just a "lack" of posting. I'm looking at the lack of quality of posting the underlying tones of messages etc..

Then you take a look at his overall posting, not just this thread but AC in general.. He was supposedly "sick" but has quite a LOT of posting in other threads throughout the forums.

I'm thinking Jpap is pulling a ruse and the wool over our eyes..

I vote to stick a stake in Jappy789

 

[Lady G]

am i still alive??

Sorry guys.... i kinda forgot about this game. But if i am still alive i can try to contribute.

So you got so upset you voted yourself, but you "forgot" about the game?? Wow, Jo this post raises alot of questions in my mind. Why would you not just look back and see if you were killed off, instead you come in with am I still alive, and I kinda forgot about the game? So, what happened to make you forget? I hope all is ok with you..but this is such a strange way of posting Jo, most of the time if someone hasn't posted they come back and say why...they don't just say "oops I forgot about the game" especially after being so upset you vote for yourself.

 

[Lady G]

Call me paranoid, but when have you ever had trouble finding suspects? I also posted some questions to you which you apparently missed. Now you come back after more than a 24 hour absense and simply hop on the current train? I gotta say this looks really suspicious man. If JL shows up with any sort of decent explanation I think I'll move my vote to you in hopes that others will review your posts.

I've been saying I think Charlie seems off, and something about his posts are unsettling...he is one I would be willing to move my vote to him or possibly JM.

Is this the question(s) I missed??? If it is, yes I am concerned by Joe's post. "I forgot i was playing." WTF is that???



Any questions I may have missed, please refer to the post #'s, and I would be happy to answer, to the best of my ability.

Each game seems harder and harder to find solid suspects. As JL noted, people who seem suspicious make good suspects because they are suspicious and people who aren't suspicious make good suspects because they aren't suspicious. I basically think everyone but me is a vampire, and my suspect list today isn't any different than day 1. Everyone is still my prime suspect. You're all vampires IMO.

Charlie, when did you start posting in Purple?? I don't remember you using that color before this game??

 

[Hooked Newbie]

Is this the question(s) I missed??? If it is, yes I am concerned by Joe's post. "I forgot i was playing." WTF is that???



Any questions I may have missed, please refer to the post #'s, and I would be happy to answer, to the best of my ability.

Each game seems harder and harder to find solid suspects. As JL noted, people who seem suspicious make good suspects because they are suspicious and people who aren't suspicious make good suspects because they aren't suspicious. I basically think everyone but me is a vampire, and my suspect list today isn't any different than day 1. Everyone is still my prime suspect. You're all vampires IMO.

Post 939. One question and a few points that I was hoping for response on. You missing it completely is a bit odd for you. It gets even harder when you quit posting and jump on already formed trains, I imagine.

 

[Lady G]

///Game Off
Hope that everyone had a great holiday.. I know that I was able to unwind, have some fun with some old friends and family and just relax.. At turkey until I about burst (We have to go to two houses on turkey day so.. It gets to be a little much food wise )
The best part is that unlike HN I was able to escape the mall.. Send GF shopping with sisters.. LOL She was about to kill me
///Game On

***WARNING*** Long post..

Ok so I have been able to go through the thread and there was a couple of posts that has kind of made me go hmmm.. While my current list does consist of Andi (this one has gotten stronger since the consolidation of information), LadyG, Jpap, JoAnder and JL.. (no particular order) Why Well it kind of goes in line with who was starting what trains and some other things..

Andi - While I was on holiday someone made my case for me and went back and collected her posts so I'm not going to repost all of this.. But she fits nicely into someone hiding in the shaddows. And as stated before with her posting her gaming experience I find it hard to believe that she would use this approach for the following reasons..

I also am a gamer, and DM'd AD&D and have moved to table top miniture gaming as well.. Normally when faced with an aggressive player it is not wise to take a back seat stance in your play or you'll get run over. In most gaming you have to take the aggressive stance, the stay back and be meek role just doesn't cut it because if they make aggressive moves you are going to have to combat them in some way.. To take a fall back position almost always means failure unless you are trying to purposely make yourself look meek but have an ace up your sleeve.

LadyG - Really started the train on Blue a known innocent. While she is trying to deflect this onto me by my saying that I respect her as a player but if you look at my post I also state in your own defense I thought Blue looked Vampirish.. (there is more below on this individual)

Jpap - I'm looking at LadyG and Jpap together because of several reasons. In a previous game they were the dynamic duo of the the Doctor and Detective and actually pulled the wool over our mafia team eyes with a unique gambit.. With their history I would suspect if LadyG was a vamp that she would pick Jpap as her second simply because of that "little tiger" post. While she wrote it off as a joke somewhere else "that most people know about".

JL - Has been a low poster as well and was ultimately the start of the RB train where I have him leaning heavily innocent at this point and time. RB had been kicking bushes throughout that point and now as well. I think JL started this train simply due to the "incident" between HN and RB. At that point in the game I don't feel any vamp would have purposely wanted to draw attention to themselves in the game simply because it was day one and all votes are pretty much random.. The chances of the town actually voting a vamp were slim to none since it was 16 vs 2 at that point and they could just sit back and watch. So him starting this train and placing his vote here was not founded on what I consider sound logic.

Joander - was the train starter on Kuhli - also another known innocent as of this point. He has been relatively quiet here recently and after that first day I am thinking he is purposely trying to stay low to deflect any attention his way...

LadyG this is the post that got me going back and looking at you more closely..



Why are you needing confirmation of one of the two PR's left? While the Hunter's power is spent are you using this to narrow your list to find the seer?



I am not trying to put any blame on you that you haven't already put on yourself with your train starting.. You have gone up on my list persay since that vote result and for me not to mention that it was your case that helped tip my voting scales would be remiss in my posting my logic of thought which is something I always ensure is in my posts.. That way anyone can see why I am voting the way I am and use that information to further their own investigations. For me not to do so would not be in the best interests of the town. Information is power in this game and lack of information is what gets us into trouble.

If you notice I also put in the post that "In your defense she looked like mafia to me as well".



But your post below proves that you were skimming because of what you posted to Ice Charlie.. You have me questioning you again.. And now I am suspecting you.. If you had been skimming and admitted it I would have believed you more than the above.. As my post reminding you of your vote was before you posted this one..





I am not sure if Niko was turned or not.. But for me it is one of two things.. He was innocent and wanted to get off his shot before he was lynched, or the vamps already turned the hunter and used his shot to make Niko look guilty..

Really, I asked about Niko being hunter because it was insinuated, and at this point I felt if he really was the hunter he was most likely innocent. I just couldn't see him being the "turned" hunter and taking a innocent. Nothing at all to do with the seer.
Yes, Clown I did notice you said that you thought "Blue" was Vamp also, but really what else could you say..."I didn't think she was a Vamp, but voted her anyway", I doubt you would say that.

 

[Lady G]

Wow, Clown that "case" against Pap makes me wonder more about him also now. I'm a little uncomfortable with so many jumping on Andi like they are, not that I have changed my mind on her...but she is a easy one to jump onto and having both Charlie and Jo who haven't posted any thoughts really come on and just jump on her too, makes me a little uneasy about my vote.

Now you bring this out on Jpap and I have to admit it doesn't look so good for Pap, Charlie and Jo are also VERY suspicious right now to me. I was willing to wait until Jo posted again to decide what I thought about his vote on himself and his sudden "disappearance" well his post made him look even worse in my eyes.

I may very well be moving my vote before nightfall, I'm just not sure which I feel would be best to move it to.

 

[clown-lover]

Lady G all you can do is vote your what is in your mind right now.. Its like I said Its not that I don't believe that andi might be a vamp.. But I want to make sure I'm doing my own research and not just following the crowd.. 1. Its not like me as I'm not a conformist and 2. I think I have a better candidate.

But I suggest that you look at it for yourself.. I have been reviewing the thread making notes since about 10:30 this morning because I am not happy the way the last two days have gone.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

Well, since it looks like JL will UD (please be vamp!) I'm going to move my vote. It's a toss up for me between Charlie and Jo. They both look suspicious, but voting for himself and then forgetting about the game seems extra sleazy, so...

I retract my vote to stick a stake in Johnlarson66 and vote to stick a stake into Joander.

 

[charlie_stubbs]

I've been saying I think Charlie seems off, and something about his posts are unsettling...he is one I would be willing to move my vote to him or possibly JM.

Charlie, when did you start posting in Purple?? I don't remember you using that color before this game??

I know you keep dropping my name LG, hoping to get a nibble. Now you think me posting in purple is suspicious??? I have posted like this several times in the past.

Ok Folks, please bear with me on this catch up. Not as much "quality" as I was hoping to come back to, but a few that I found interesting (see below). Hope everyone had a Great day yesterday! Mine was fine until this morning when I got duped into shopping). ARGH!



Gravy used for turkey, mashed taters, and biscuits down here. Fries are a no gravy zone.
I will never understand Americans.


Danger going away turned you into flip flops?
Tres drole. I chuckled when i read this the first time, and now I've chuckled at it again. This joke has logged some miles.






The above posts do only one thing in my eyes, add alot of confusion. We seem (I'm guilty of it as much as anyone) to think up very elaborate schemes behind the tactics used by the bad guys, when usually the truth is more straight forward. I'm not ready to hang LG for believing Blue was a vamp. I've been "Positive" of someone before and been wrong (sorry Charlie).

As to the debate about the Hunter, see below.



Charlie- here you pretty much tell Niko (IF he's the Hunter), that either way he screwed the town. I know that if I was the Hunter and saw myself in a dead heat for lynching, I'd send my hit in on my best candidate for LV to try to win the game. Why call him on it AND point it out to the bad guys if they had missed the narrowing of the field part?
I wanted him to feel just bad enough that he will be more careful in the future, but not bad enough he gives up hope. Point it out to the bad guys??? Are you assuming they are missing the obvious??? Dancing on the razors edge, my toothy friend.


Seems that you are casting a pretty wide net without any real kicking going on. I appreciate the compliment, but in the past I had a fellow weasel kicker that seems to be MIA thus far.

Yeah, sorry I haven't been as helpful as I have in the past. RL has been a little hectic, but I don't wanna make excuses. I feel like I am letting the town down and will re-double my efforts to uproot the scum in our midst.


Now after telling him he "screwed the town", you're consoling him?

Yes, if he is innocent I'm sure he feels terrible. I just wanted him to know he's not the only one to have done this. If they turned him, I'm sure he feels pretty good about it, and needs no consoling, but I don't know which is the case, so I'll give him a little of both.

I must admit that after being wrong about you a few games ago, I've given you a pretty wide berth and I'm afraid that I may be regretting that.

I noticed you had been a little more reluctant to beat on me since the last time. I think of it as the calm before the storm.

The case made against Andi in 931 was very interesting and I need to add her to my list. With everything that happened and that I've finshed reading, I have to say that Charlie is looking more suspect to me while Niko is less so.

Well, we agree on Andi.

Hmmm... right now I'd have to say that my suspicions are on JL, Charlie, Rb (can't shake it), Andi, and Lady G. Hopefully this will get him to return with some sort of insight....

I vote to stick a stake in Johnlarson66.

my comments above, in red, with the exception of my comments to LG, which are in purple.