Mafia 17: Vampires

[Hooked Newbie]

At this point I see no better suspect than Jo so I am keeping my vote on him. Hopefully he doesn't "forget" again, but I have a suspicion he'll be back to avoid the UD.

Jpappy's quick vote is a bit concerning as well. Especially after he stated the below.

Things change fungi...obviously we havent gotten a vamp yet so why not look at someone who would be an excellent turn choice...a "newb" who has been able to glide through the entire game? You havent done anything obvious to be a vamp to others but thats why I think you are one. Its pretty clear that the vamps are hiding, so I narrowed the list down to you.

Seems to me that he's been one of those "Hiding".

 

[judgemax]

I think, the next best candidate besides JL, is JO, he seemed to have dropped off teh face of teh earth, and only returns, just enough to play. IMHO, he could have been a turn, and they told him to stay quiet, or he could have been the LV, and now that he has minions, he is playing only enough to stay in the game. its not like him, and i don't feel comfortable with is I forgot excuse, ..come on, how do you forget?..seriously?..I think he is vamp, and being quiet, for a reason.

 

[Reefscape]

Did you completely forget about Blue or choose to omit her name? Seems pretty odd since you were soooo sure.

I don't dislike your list as I've said, but I have to keep your record in mind and your posts with a grain of salt.

Well, you did vote kuhli in post 320 but changed to blue, then kuhli got lynched.

You voted Andi in post 1007 then changed to cs at 1051, then andi died.

A small technical point from your statement that you "didn't" vote for them.

There seems to be a pattern here in what Bob has pointed out..I almost feel that when she is happy that the person has enough votes, that she removes her vote to someone else so she cannot be pulled for being "on the train"..i find this very odd...

As I said, if you want to vote me do it. Wow, I think maybe I have been looking at all the wrong ppl.
Ya know I'm going on a limb here and vote to put a stake in Hooked
Everyone who has looked guilty to me has been innocent, so I am picking one that looked innocent. Of coarse subject to change

I kinda get the feeling here your just picking someone at random to throw your vote at...OR you know perfectly well that hooked is innocent and using what you have said about reversing who is innocent and guilty as a way of covering yourself..?

You are absolutely right Lady, lots of folks suspected Andi from that list, 5 of the 6 I believe.

My post was that in your post, the bolded part, you state you didn't vote kuhli when you did in post 320. You did change to blue at # 403, night one ended and kuhli was dead.

Night two, you voted blue in # 580, stayed there and blue is dead.

Night 3, you voted andi in 1007, though you stated you didn't up above, switched your vote to cs in # 1051 and andi is dead.

I think what you were trying to say is your final vote of those days were not on Kuhli or Andi.

It is strange that all 5 people you have voted for, whether it was there at nightfall or not,...are now dead...and innocents.

This is very concerning indeed..a pattern perhaps? what do people think about this pattern??

Well, I'm not saying you shouldn't look at me HN. The shock of them both being innocent, through me into a slight frenzy. I am thinking maybe I AM reading things backward, EVERY person I thought was vamp has been innocent! Fungi, seemed very vamp to me I switched off him b/c so many started voting him and I felt Blue was vamp also, so I switched to her. I stuck to her b/c I thought she was vamp I fully believed she was, she was innocent, I thought Charlie and Andi were both Vamp they were innocent...so four ppl I have thought for sure Vamp were innocent, I am obviously seeing things backward!
I retract my vote for HN

I have to look more myself, but right now I am leaving my tops as CL, RB, JM, Fungi and HN, sorry you are still there, can't take you away at this point.

I feel here you have retracted you vote on HN because he is badgering you about voting him, that is the general feel i got when reviewing the little session of posts you and HN had...

Jmax, could you explain to me which you really thought? If you thought I was trying to save her why right before night are you saying you should of stuck with your vote for me?? You easily could of taken your vote off at that point, I think you knew she was innocent and thought you could use it against me somehow...problem being I am not the only one who felt that way about her, I am not the only one to name her, and I am did not come in after not posting for a while, admit to speed reading and then turn around and say I am confident enough to vote her. Yep, I had my vote on her before work in case I couldn't post again before nightfall, I came back on and seen the way votes jumped on her and didn't like it, stated that and changed to someone else I felt Vamp (unfortunatly I was wrong about him also).

You are right, you were not the only one to name her, and voted for her at one point...yet, towards the end you switched your vote away, thus removing any inpending questions as to why you were one of the people who pegged Andi...which i also feel you did when it was Kuhli at the start...

You have moved yourself right to the top of my list after reviewing these posts from you, and your voting pattern..

 

[judgemax]

There seems to be a pattern here in what Bob has pointed out..I almost feel that when she is happy that the person has enough votes, that she removes her vote to someone else so she cannot be pulled for being "on the train"..i find this very odd...



I kinda get the feeling here your just picking someone at random to throw your vote at...OR you know perfectly well that hooked is innocent and using what you have said about reversing who is innocent and guilty as a way of covering yourself..?




This is very concerning indeed..a pattern perhaps? what do people think about this pattern??



I feel here you have retracted you vote on HN because he is badgering you about voting him, that is the general feel i got when reviewing the little session of posts you and HN had...



You are right, you were not the only one to name her, and voted for her at one point...yet, towards the end you switched your vote away, thus removing any inpending questions as to why you were one of the people who pegged Andi...which i also feel you did when it was Kuhli at the start...

You have moved yourself right to the top of my list after reviewing these posts from you, and your voting pattern..

very good post, I also want to add, that she jumped me, for voting andi, I think, she was trying to make herself look good, and sorta like she was defending her, ..this in only my opinion though, ..right now, my top suspects are LG, JO, and JL, no offense JL, but I can't figure out why Ice let you live?..Not a huge reason, just curious?..

 

[judgemax]

those are in no particular order, i should add, i am extremely comfortable with voting for JO, or LG

 

[clown-lover]

There are only 12 players left in the game now. Lets assume the Vamps got their "turn" on night one and 2 that would give them 4 Vamps, leaving only 6 innocents, we can not stake another innocent or it is game over, b/c rather they get a kill or a turn on the next nightfall if we take out one more of us, they will win.

I am very courious of Niko now, suspicions were all over him until the "hunter arrow" took Plant. I believe he is one we should look more into myself.

You know I have been thinking about this a lot over the evening myself.. It is OOOO so obvious that we have had troubles getting a vampire staked.. You are basically stating that there is 4 but I am wondering if the vamps might only have 2.. The LV and a minion.. I mean we have been having a hard time staking one.. I even went back and read the rules just to make sure I'm thinking correctly.. Take a look..

The LV needs to send in his choice for a turn at day start, if the Villagers lynch this person the LV loses a chance at a free Lesser vampire. This is only for the 1st 2 days. After the 1st 2 days everything can be sent in as normal.

I PM'd ICE for confirmation and asked what time they had to have their PM's to him.. He confirmed that the LV had to turn in his picks at the start of the day.. So if their pick was a UD lets say (I mean we have lost a ton of townies to UD's this game)... They would have picked them but because they were a UD they wouldn't have been turned.

Last night we know they didn't get a turn with Charlie as Ice's post stated he died..

 

[Rbishop]

So, Johnlarson was viewing this thread for the past while, isn't now, and hasn't decided to add his thoughts after his less than one hour read of 500 posts last night...?

Are we all being taken for a ride by the low posters or "RL issue folks" this game?

Less than 8 hrs to nightfall, jo and jl, after be given much leeway, can't even help a bit more...?

 

[judgemax]

You know I have been thinking about this a lot over the evening myself.. It is OOOO so obvious that we have had troubles getting a vampire staked.. You are basically stating that there is 4 but I am wondering if the vamps might only have 2.. The LV and a minion.. I mean we have been having a hard time staking one.. I even went back and read the rules just to make sure I'm thinking correctly.. Take a look..



I PM'd ICE for confirmation and asked what time they had to have their PM's to him.. He confirmed that the LV had to turn in his picks at the start of the day.. So if their pick was a UD lets say (I mean we have lost a ton of townies to UD's this game)... They would have picked them but because they were a UD they wouldn't have been turned.

Last night we know they didn't get a turn with Charlie as Ice's post stated he died..

If that is the case, then we have a slightly better chance, right now, as it stands, if we choose wrong, The town looses, and I don't want to see that. That would explain alot, with the trouble in finding vamps, ..

 

[clown-lover]

very good post, I also want to add, that she jumped me, for voting andi, I think, she was trying to make herself look good, and sorta like she was defending her, ..this in only my opinion though, ..right now, my top suspects are LG, JO, and JL, no offense JL, but I can't figure out why Ice let you live?..Not a huge reason, just curious?..

See my post #1206.. Now with this in conjunction with that post what if.. Just what if JL is the Lead Vamp.. Wouldn't it make sense for ICE to make a case to keep him in the game.. Break his own rules (when he has been a stickler for the rules - I mean come on we had one player throw a hissy fit over how exacting ICE has been about the rules) etc otherwise the game would be over..

This is really running through my mind right now..

 

[judgemax]

See my post #1206.. Now with this in conjunction with that post what if.. Just what if JL is the Lead Vamp.. Wouldn't it make sense for ICE to make a case to keep him in the game.. Break his own rules (when he has been a stickler for the rules - I mean come on we had one player throw a hissy fit over how exacting ICE has been about the rules) etc otherwise the game would be over..

This is really running through my mind right now..

well, if JL is LV, and would have died, The game would have been over?...Hmmmmmm?