Mafia #20 - Pirates of the Carribean the Play

[Grins]

Thanks for the compliments... I think Grins... but one question though, just what have I been twisting around on you? Nothing but do as you wish.

Game aside, it is a sincere compliment. You're a very smart woman DD, I appreciate it in another woman and I like it about you. But what I like about you makes you dangerous if you're possibly on the opposite team. So far you've not twisted anything on me because as I said, I have been careful when I was an unknown not to give you reason to.

 

[Lady G]

I changed who I think are pirates to green above to help make my point(s). Known innocents have been changed to pink. I also got rid of the retracted votes to make it clearer hopefully.

Here is what is the most telling to me.

Look at the who the known pirates are..JM and JL. My belief is neither of them voted for another pirate the first night. A pirate would have helped jump on a train to lynch a known innocent (Beth) or pick another innocent so as not to look too guilty. I'm thinking that Blackbeard the first night did not vote for Beth, they didn't want to get questioned on their vote when people voting for Beth were called to task. However, the game allows for Blackbeard to demote him/herself and promote someone else to Blackbeard and with the heat that JM was taking (she didn't vote for Beth the first night by the way) she may very well have done just that which is why Ice (the guard) didn't end the game in favor of the town with his killing her.

Also on day one..notice how when Beth voted for you to walk the plank LC, that JM (a known pirate) attached her vote to the known innocent? This just underscores what they were doing in my mind. JM was distancing herself from the train of a known innocent and doing what? Oh yes, still voting for another innocent that would set the stage for a future train the pirates hoped to create.

And lookie who only 8 posts later joined herself at the hip to what JM was doing...Blue. Not only does this look bad but when you add in what I discovered last night, that when I called Blue and DD out for this exact behavior...NONE of them called me on it. Not Blue, not DD, and certainly not JM whom I'd not have expected to even if she had been innocent. But Blue and DD didn't do it because why highlight what I said for everyone else to pick up on? Why draw more attention to the fact that there was a connection to them and hey to JM too. What has ended up as my biggest error (along with talking so much that the pirates freaked out about me) is what has helped to out 2 more pirates in my mind..Blue and DD.

Now the second night. This was the night I switched my focus from RB to JM. I believe that all voting for JM are innocent..except Mad. Why give Mad the pass? Because he thought JM was safe from the lynch (which she was). With the way the pirates had us all focus on Rb, JM was probably going to be saved. My guess is that Mad might be the new captain. That I'm just throwing out there, I'm not so sure on him being the Captain but I'm thinking he'd make an excellent one. He has been helpful to the town yes...but not taking a lot of risks either.

Oh and in my mind, JL and JM's votes on MeeMee and you LC the second night, just makes me more convinced you and she are innocent.




First let me thank you for the laugh and idea LadyG. I think from here on out we should all select one post from the entire game and award them this:

So far I'm nominating you.



His posts about the times that you were posting have nothing to do with my thinking you're pirate. Instead, your hyper-focus on him and your defensiveness about it has everything to do with it. In fact, it makes me question Mal a bit more because like you she ONLY focused on Rb. Whoops, did I just turn my attention to another probable pirate? Sorry about that pirates, have some more rum to drown your sorrows.

Well, Grins all I can say is think what you want...but if you truly are innocent...you will not like what you get when you get me planked. Sorry, you are not PROVEN innocent, like I said..you easily could be the watchman yourself, switched sides and planed the whole "hit" save thing just to fool the town. Oh, and BTW...I didn't only focus on RB.

As has already been pointed out I switched my vote from Rb to JM. Which brings me to ask you again Mal, why did you ONLY focus on Rb? And now that LG's overacting has me thinking she is certainly a pirate I'm wondering if she didn't coach you to make that post highlighting what he had said and where to make Rb look guilty (which he unfortunately aided in).

Maybe, you switched your vote to look good in the end...knowing what the out come was going to be. And Grins if I remember right, you were on RB yourself...I wasn't the only one saying he looked Pirate...sorry but his entire game play looked pirate, I looked back to see if I could find anything that would make me see he looked like he was actually trying to help the town, I found nothing...everything he posted was just pretty much calling people out...like I don't care about RL issues, his falseness about the times I post, him talking about ppl being in the chat room. He never looked innocent at any point.

 

[Grins]

who said he was being coached and/or being coached by you?

I'll have to go back and look, but there have been claims that LC was being coached coming from those voting for him or fingering him as a suspected pirate.

I don't believe that anyone named someone other than pirates as the probable coach.

Now answer something for me please, where did I say that anyone tried to say I had been coaching LC? Trying to twist my words there DD?

 

[Lady G]

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Lol read my mind? No. But when someone in this game says that "Blue and DD" piled their late votes on with a known innocent (Beth) I expect them to READ and suspect that I'm a pirate for having made the screw up. If I was not a known innocent right now you'd probably be calling me out for making the screw up in the first place claiming I was making false claims to make others look bad. Oh, and thanks for the new tip, but you won't mind if I again don't take it for the time being right?

[/B]

Now see, that sounds an awful lot like you to me Blue. Either you're playing worse than I think you are, or the pirates are really freaking out about how they've handed an innocent vocal townie power. My guess is it's the latter and the pirate plan is to at all costs attempt to manipulate the rest of us into voting for anyone BUT the captain. Sounds to me like your captain has decided you'er to take the hit...and get will Cooke swoop down and save you? Cooke can't protect the captain but he can protect another....you maybe?



You're really wanting to get nominated for that new trophy aren't you?



:rofl:Bravo! I was wondering how you guys were going to try to convince them I wasn't really an innocent. This has to be a classic. Classic impossible reach. If had switched to mafia I'd NO LONGER be the watchman and have the power to protect myself the next night now would I? Oh, and if I had been changed to pirate WHY would I have switched my vote from Rb (innocent) to JM (pirate)? Puhleeez, you guys are hysterical but surely you can do better than this. The town isn't populated with idiots..give us something better to challenge our minds with.

You see my problem here Grins YOU ARE NOT A KNOWN INNOCENT, you may be a ASSUMED INNOCENT, but not KNOWN..there is a difference and the more you play on this "I'm a KNOWN innocent", the more I am apt to think what I said could be true. You know I think, you are not worried about the "Pirate" hit because you ARE the watchman, and you protected yourself like I said as a "turned" pirate, to make yourself look good, so for the rest of the game..you can say "I'm a KNOWN innocent" and the town will follow you, leading the Pirates to a victory!

 

[Lady G]

[/B]

Lol read my mind? No. But when someone in this game says that "Blue and DD" piled their late votes on with a known innocent (Beth) I expect them to READ and suspect that I'm a pirate for having made the screw up. If I was not a known innocent right now you'd probably be calling me out for making the screw up in the first place claiming I was making false claims to make others look bad. Oh, and thanks for the new tip, but you won't mind if I again don't take it for the time being right?

[/B]

Now see, that sounds an awful lot like you to me Blue. Either you're playing worse than I think you are, or the pirates are really freaking out about how they've handed an innocent vocal townie power. My guess is it's the latter and the pirate plan is to at all costs attempt to manipulate the rest of us into voting for anyone BUT the captain. Sounds to me like your captain has decided you'er to take the hit...and get will Cooke swoop down and save you? Cooke can't protect the captain but he can protect another....you maybe?



You're really wanting to get nominated for that new trophy aren't you?



:rofl:Bravo! I was wondering how you guys were going to try to convince them I wasn't really an innocent. This has to be a classic. Classic impossible reach. If had switched to mafia I'd NO LONGER be the watchman and have the power to protect myself the next night now would I? Oh, and if I had been changed to pirate WHY would I have switched my vote from Rb (innocent) to JM (pirate)? Puhleeez, you guys are hysterical but surely you can do better than this. The town isn't populated with idiots..give us something better to challenge our minds with.

Oh, but is does NOT say you would loose your "power" and I have played in many games where they didn't loose their power Grins, that is why I feel pretty strong about this.

 

[Grins]

Ok, quick question here. Is the game going to be locked after FRIDAY then? If it is locked tonight...how are we going to have nightfall on Friday??

I'm not exactly sure, but I think that it is locked after nightfall. Not sure if we get to learn what happened during nightfall before it is locked. Clown? Please tell me you aren't going to stress us all out over Christmas not knowing what happened during the night?

Well, Grins all I can say is think what you want...but if you truly are innocent...you will not like what you get when you get me planked. Sorry, you are not PROVEN innocent, like I said..you easily could be the watchman yourself, switched sides and planed the whole "hit" save thing just to fool the town. Oh, and BTW...I didn't only focus on RB.


Maybe, you switched your vote to look good in the end...knowing what the out come was going to be. And Grins if I remember right, you were on RB yourself...I wasn't the only one saying he looked Pirate...sorry but his entire game play looked pirate, I looked back to see if I could find anything that would make me see he looked like he was actually trying to help the town, I found nothing...everything he posted was just pretty much calling people out...like I don't care about RL issues, his falseness about the times I post, him talking about ppl being in the chat room. He never looked innocent at any point.

I don't need you to be planked LadyG, I need the town to help me figure out which of my suspected pirates is the most pirate and hopefully Blackbeard. I don't have my vote on you...yet.

I've already explained that I couldn't be the watchman if I had switched to pirate (which I didn't). And c'mon do you really expect the town to believe that you pirates would have wasted a hit on me if I had turned pirate? Puhleez, you'd have taken me aboard your pirate ship and offered me grog and had me help you carry out a hit on a known innocent. Not have wasted it on another pirate.

And no, you didn't focus solely on RB, but you were uber focused on him. So was I for some time (thanks to your posts), but I caught the clues he was putting out there and realized that there were other pirates to find and was open enough to realize that JM was much more obvious. Why didn't you?

You see my problem here Grins YOU ARE NOT A KNOWN INNOCENT, you may be a ASSUMED INNOCENT, but not KNOWN..there is a difference and the more you play on this "I'm a KNOWN innocent", the more I am apt to think what I said could be true. You know I think, you are not worried about the "Pirate" hit because you ARE the watchman, and you protected yourself like I said as a "turned" pirate, to make yourself look good, so for the rest of the game..you can say "I'm a KNOWN innocent" and the town will follow you, leading the Pirates to a victory!

Eh, my fellow townspeople aren't stupid. Clown may have made a complex game but he did NOT allow for the watchman to be a pirate. They can read what I've already said on this and wonder why you're so desperate to keep trying it.

 

[LesbianChap]

I changed who I think are pirates to green above to help make my point(s). Known innocents have been changed to pink. I also got rid of the retracted votes to make it clearer hopefully.

I agree with most of your suspected pirates, but I still think you're one or two heavy...I'm going to have to place my highest suspicions on JP, DD, and Blue, with Mad and LG being a possible fourth, but I doubt there's a fifth pirate still alive. If I had to pick between DD, Blue, and JP, I'd say it's pretty equal between DD and Blue for pirate-ness...But this early in the third day I'm going to vote for Blue...I think she's the bigger threat. JP's case is more about who he appears to be linked to then anything else, DD's voted for a known innocent each night, and Blue has voted for an innocent each time as well...and I think Blue's trying to offer a peace token if I don't do this by saying

Looking at the nights events, I see that I had a known innocent and a known pirate on my list of possibilities to vote for. Now that we know grins is innocent, that leaves LC left on my list, he is an unknown. Not ready to vote for him just yet..

And I've decided to do it anyways

I vote to make Blue walk the plank.
And of course, I may change it at any point if anyone more interesting presents themselves...

 

[Lady G]

Oh, but is does NOT say you would loose your "power" and I have played in many games where they didn't loose their power Grins, that is why I feel pretty strong about this.

Just wanted to add to this, your second question...why would you switch to Jmax (last minute to), well....to make it look even better....OH but my vote was on a Pirate. See, Grins this is why last minute vote changes sometimes back fire...you no the more you talk, the more I am thinking I'm right on this.

Sorry, but it was just a thought when I posted it, something to think about. But the way you came out all guns blazin about it, well it's made me think. Yep, it would be a perfect "pirate" plan. You switched sides being the watchman, you stayed on RB till the very last minute when you KNEW he was going to be planked and switched to JM, who wasn't...I don't know if you knew Ice was going to take her out...but you guy's put your hit on yourself, you put your protection on yourself, and when Ice did hit Jmax, it made you look all the more better cause well you were on a Pirate at the end.

You see I thought it was weird that Clown included your name, usually the "save" doesn't include the persons name, look back on night one...did it say who was protected NO it didn't did it, hmmm I wonder why it did this time.

 

[LesbianChap]

I'll have to go back and look, but there have been claims that LC was being coached coming from those voting for him or fingering him as a suspected pirate.

I don't believe that anyone named someone other than pirates as the probable coach.

Now answer something for me please, where did I say that anyone tried to say I had been coaching LC? Trying to twist my words there DD?

Now I don't remember who's accused me of being coached, or everyone they accused of coaching me, but one of the people accused of coaching me that I remember for sure was Ice. Another was Blue, but I'm more iffy about that one without going back to double-check.

I believe you've also made the comment yourself that I should go "kick my pirate coaches" and wake them up...though I'm pretty sure your comment was more in jest over the previous accusations then you actually thinking I had some.

 

[Grins]

Maybe to give we innocents ONE freaking advantage seeing that our power roles can barely communicate while the pirates are throwing a drunken grog party in some private chatroom.

I have stuff to run off an do for a bit guys. LadyG, by all means keep posting theories that I'm not really innocent...your desperate theories are only going to make you look worse. A little hint like I gave to Beth (an innocent), if you're truely innocent how about stopping with the hyper focus on defending yourself and show those in the town that aren't sure about you (like LC) more reason to think others like Blue are pirates?

If you'd rather stay uber focused on me like you did with RB though..be my guest.