Mafia #26: Roadside Picnic the Game

[bkw1982]

Gracecat: Swayde(45) RB(263) Jl(268) Cl(277) plant(303)

Cory: Coler; Bethkira(214) Ogre(218) Hooked(223) Jpappy(259)

Ogre: Ice(131) CL(145) JL(147) Bkw(154) plant(159) HN(163)LG(164)Gracecat(196) Enya(217)

Rbishop: Bkw(118) Jensons(195), Bkw(212) Ice(224)

Hooked: Judge(226)

Jensons: Ice(265) Lady G(294)

Pretty quiet today. Hope to have posts to read if I can get on late tonight.


I didn't have time to comment about this post earlier b/c I had to go get my kid from school and had started my post before I saw yours. This post confuses me a little. I'm flattered that you would consider me a known innocent, but I think your statement is only valid if CL is also a known innocent. But you have him as either way. While I have CL leaning innocent, I don't know for sure, but that you would consider me a known innocent makes me wonder if you know.

If CL is innocent then you're 100% innocent. If Cl guilty ur still 100% innocent.

What coulda happend:There was a tie between Cl and Grace, and if it ended with CL being lynched and being guilty an arguement could have been made that you tried to save CL by voting grace. That's to big a risk to take just to try and look innocent. I dont think it's a risk a mafia would take.

What actually happend: Grace was lynched and mafia. you put the final vote to tie Grace and CL. No matter what CL status you thought he was innocent and saved him. Why tie the vote unless to save CL cause u think he's innocent. I think only an innocent would do that.

That's why you're a known innocent.

Went after rb than jumped on the ogre train, only to go back to rb later on the basis that RB "pointed out" the slip and never voted. My thoughts are that he was trying to get a train started on RB again...granted, RB may be evil, but this seemed odd to me. And the last post of his mentions two people that he thinks are innocent and 3 who could go either way...care to share who you actually think may be stalkers? Also curious is that he says he will be looking at the "throw away" votes, high-lighting the votes from Ice, G, and Jmax...but not his or Jensons on RB? Little things that seems weird to me...maybe signs of scum...[B]

My response to red: You think it's odd that i tried to get a train started on someone who i thought was guilty.......Ogre was cleared and Rb was my next choice,

My response to blue: Compare the above vote count with the one below. The one below is about 3 hours left and its post 261, and the above is the final votes. Rb was in the running for lynch

Judge go read JM case against Hn. Looks to me like she sat on HN cause she didnt have anywhere else to go.

Lg/Ice- explained their votes but i dont agree with case.

ONE HOUR!
Day 1 Votes:
3-No Votes: rbishop; johnlarson; lady g
1-Gracecat: Swayde
5-Cory: Coler; Bethkira; Ogre; Hooked; Jpappy
4-Ogre: Cory; Plantling; Gracecat; Enya
3-Rbishop: Jensons; Bkw; Ice
1-Hooked: Judge

 

[bkw1982]

Well I see 4 votes and 12 no votes.

Remember that tomorrow night is night fall and no votes will be accepted after 8 PM EST.

I was really hoping to see others chime in about the players they suspect.

Also some clarification from Ogre on this

Two people that I think are innocent are being counted as evil by each other and several others... some of whom I think are innocent and some of whom I think are stalkers.

and Bkw on why he left Jenson and Enya off his list of throw away votes and why are 2 votes on RB not throw away votes but 2 votes on Jensons is?

I dont think Jenson's is trow away cause at one point rb was 1 vote away from being tied for the lynch. see my above post

Enya is a newb who has 3 post. Either she doesnt have the time to play or she isnt interested and is voting just to stay alive. Its a trow away vote but nothing that makes me look harder her.

 

[Swayde]

Popping in to let ya'll know that I am reading the thread and keeping up with the game. I have not changed my mind or stance on anyone however, so unfortunately I don't have anything new to contribute at this time.

I really would like to hear more from Coler, Beth, Enya, HN, JM, and Cory. If you guys are out there lurking and are innocent, please share your thoughts and observations! If you are bad guys, well keep up the silence, an UD is still 1 less bad guy to have to figure out and those last minute votes with no reason or discussion helps make ya look bad too =)

 

[OgreMkV]

Are you willing to share these names with the town?

I didn't realize that my comment would be that big a deal...

I think bkw is innocent. Until just recently (you brought it up Ice) I thought Jensons was innocent too.

I thought rb was a stalker, but then he votes to toss Jensons into the zone. (This was after your question of course).

I thought Cory was a stalker, but several others that I think are stalkers are voting him.

You've seen my list. I'm sticking with it for now, except I'm moving Jensons to the more stalker column.

 

[IceH2O]

I dont think Jenson's is trow away cause at one point rb was 1 vote away from being tied for the lynch. see my above post

Enya is a newb who has 3 post. Either she doesnt have the time to play or she isnt interested and is voting just to stay alive. Its a trow away vote but nothing that makes me look harder her.

Gracecat: Swayde(45) RB(263) Jl(268) Cl(277) plant(303)

Cory: Coler; Bethkira(214) Ogre(218) Hooked(223) Jpappy(259)

Ogre: Ice(131) CL(145) JL(147) Bkw(154) plant(159) HN(163)LG(164)Gracecat(196) Enya(217)

Rbishop: Bkw(118) Jensons(195), Bkw(212) Ice(224)

Hooked: Judge(226)

Jensons: Ice(265) Lady G(294)

Your Day 1 vote tally isn't exactly correct. Don't know if it means anything but this is what I have.

Ice 0 HN(68)

Grace 5 Sway(45)RB(263)JL(268)Cory(277)Plant(303)

Rb 2 Ice(37)Bkw(118)Jensons(195)Bkw(212)Ice(224)

Ogre 2 Ice(131)Cory(145)JL(147)Bkw(154)Plantling(159)HN(163)LG(164)
Grace(196)enya(217)

HN 1 Coler(28)JM(226)

Cory 5 Ogre(49)Coler(87)Beth(214)Ogre(218)HN(223)Jpap(259)

Jenson 2 Ice(265)LG(294)

Coler 0 JL(86)


I think all the votes of the day need to be looked at. You either missed or conveniently left off my 1st vote for RB, HNs vote for me, Colers vote for HN, Ogres 1st vote for Cory.

 

[bkw1982]

Your Day 1 vote tally isn't exactly correct. Don't know if it means anything but this is what I have.

Ice 0 HN(68)

Grace 5 Sway(45)RB(263)JL(268)Cory(277)Plant(303)

Rb 2 Ice(37)Bkw(118)Jensons(195)Bkw(212)Ice(224)

Ogre 2 Ice(131)Cory(145)JL(147)Bkw(154)Plantling(159)HN(163)LG(164)
Grace(196)enya(217)

HN 1 Coler(28)JM(226)

Cory 5 Ogre(49)Coler(87)Beth(214)Ogre(218)HN(223)Jpap(259)

Jenson 2 Ice(265)LG(294)

Coler 0 JL(86)


I think all the votes of the day need to be looked at. You either missed or conveniently left off my 1st vote for RB, HNs vote for me, Colers vote for HN, Ogres 1st vote for Cory.

I started from the orge "slip" since thats were the major votes took place and the most movement happend

 

[IceH2O]

Meant to respond to the 1st post.

At the time Jensons went to RB she was the ONLY vote on RB. She voted at 195. I left to Ogre at 131 and you left to Ogre on 154. It wasn't almost tied when she voted. I did bring it up to a 4 Cory 3 RB vote when I jumped back on RB but Ogre still had 5 votes on him at that time( Cory Plantling LG Grace Enya).

I don't count them as throw away in the sense of a normal throw away vote.I do think you were trying to get a train on an innocent and save Grace. If you could make the race between RB and Cory you win no matter which went home. But you couldn't last minute switch to Cory or you'd be busted.

 

[johnlarson66]

And what happened to drop Gracecat off the radar? Everyone was gunning for her, and now it's like she's disappeared. Her posting was a bit strange, and to skip twice seems silly on review of everything that was posted to correct her (this goes against my previous statement on the subject, I know).



I am willing to bet that all the Stalkers are on Ogre right now, whether or not he is. This train looks promising as an alibi, if one were to need it.


The only Civilian Scientist I am sure of is myself.

I don't know who I will vote for yet. I need to review a bit.

The first part and the parts I have bolded have me slightly concerned. They are replies to other posts, so try not to take them out of context.

She does reverse her statements about grace, this was when most votes were on Ogre and grace was did not have many votes, I think just swayde's vote. She does not vote for grace, but does mention her. I am not sure if she was a stalker with grace that she would do this, but at the time it would have been a safe bet, grace had already changed her play style and the ogre train was going well. A good time to distance herself from grace if they were both stalkers.

Thinking that all the stalkers were on Ogre. This would be a great thing to use later. If Ogre was not a stalker then all the train starters and riders would all be highly suspect.

Also stating that one is innocent on day one is quite the red flag.

I vote to toss Jensons into the zone

 

[bkw1982]

Your Day 1 vote tally isn't exactly correct. Don't know if it means anything but this is what I have.

Ice 0 HN(68)

Grace 5 Sway(45)RB(263)JL(268)Cory(277)Plant(303)

Rb 2 Ice(37)Bkw(118)Jensons(195)Bkw(212)Ice(224)

Ogre 2 Ice(131)Cory(145)JL(147)Bkw(154)Plantling(159)HN(163)LG(164)
Grace(196)enya(217)

HN 1 Coler(28)JM(226)

Cory 5 Ogre(49)Coler(87)Beth(214)Ogre(218)HN(223)Jpap(259)

Jenson 2 Ice(265)LG(294)

Coler 0 JL(86)


I think all the votes of the day need to be looked at. You either missed or conveniently left off my 1st vote for RB, HNs vote for me, Colers vote for HN, Ogres 1st vote for Cory.

If you look at the votes ice my vote was on RB well before a train on grace was started.

when i switched back to RB there was only 1 vote on grace and that was from swayde who been on her since post 45. Cory also had 1 vote on him.

Please explain how i was tryin to save grace if there wasnt a train on her when i voted for RB.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

Hey folks.. I'm not lurking or hiding and hae never UD'd (Swayde). I had an extremely busy day (which I stated yesterday), am sun burned, tired, and slightly buzzed. My thoughts may be in random order, but they are not random.

I'm still not sure about Ogre or CL... someone mentioned the Stalkers choosing the lesser of two losses and I think that could be true. Not so much a planned "sacrifice", but a late choice after the Rb thing didn't work out. I'm just not quite sure who may have been "saved".

JM- I think you're scum. Jpappy made a better case on you than I could and from me it would look like an OMGUS, but it is what it is. You haven't added anything whatsoever to the town and jumped at the chance to vote for me.

bkw- I think you're scum too. I see you defending JM and Enya while posting very calculated inaccuracies. Yes, they can be explained away. You should go into politics, they are still not true. BTW- the word tHrow has an H in it.

Jensons- I can definitely see the case on, but I'm seeing others more guilty right now.

In case I hae a vote on Ice (I usually try to)... I retract my vote to throw Ice into the zone and vote to trow bkw1982 into the zone. I'd vote for you JM, but I have more confidence in you hanging yourself.