Adding angels to angels

[satanpie]

I have these 6 angels, 1 female and 5 males, there is one pair and the other 4 males are left to become agressive with each other and live a lonely life, how could i add more females, obviously find some for sale but should i buy young ones or somehitng? would this even work at all?

 

[wataugachicken]

there is no way you should add more angels to a 45g tank. if you feel you need to make a change, sell or separate the mated pair. in addition, there's no way to sex young angels. and unless you actually see them mating, your chances of correctly sexing older angels is about 50/50.

 

[Dangerdoll]

agreed, there's just no way to do it if they are young, even to the trained eye and you really can't add any more to the tank unless you move some out. Aside from that, adding in smaller angels to an already established angel tank is very very risky, most often ending in the death of the new guys.

 

[satanpie]

i have a 75 gallon tank now, i do believe angels can be accurately sexed, females have a broader bottom fin and usually have duller colors, you can also see their sex organ protruding even in times when they are not mating.

 

[wataugachicken]

if that is the case you should keep the pair in the 45 and move the others to the 75. if you still want more angels, find some about the same size as what you already have, and put those in the 75 before adding the ones from the 45.

 

[Draal5]

I have to disagree with danger I have added younger angels many times over the years quarter or larger with full grown angels and have never had a problem let alone have an angel kill another.

You do need to move the unmated angels from the 45 its way to small for the others once the pair spawns.

I have been breading for years and sexing young angels is impossible I can get it right 60 - 70% only because I known the parents which helps.

color has nothing to do with sex except for ones with wild blood may have the top of there heads turn dull gold after they spawn for the first time

 

[satanpie]

All of my angels are going into the 75, the 45 will be a salt water im gonna shop around for some angels and chose the ones thatb seem like females to me and when they meet the others we'll see what happens

 

[Dangerdoll]

i have a 75 gallon tank now, i do believe angels can be accurately sexed, females have a broader bottom fin and usually have duller colors, you can also see their sex organ protruding even in times when they are not mating.

yes, the larger angels can accurately be sexed, quarter sized ones though, sorry but it's unlikely.

I have to disagree with danger I have added younger angels many times over the years quarter or larger with full grown angels and have never had a problem let alone have an angel kill another.

You do need to move the unmated angels from the 45 its way to small for the others once the pair spawns.

I have been breading for years and sexing young angels is impossible I can get it right 60 - 70% only because I known the parents which helps.

color has nothing to do with sex except for ones with wild blood may have the top of there heads turn dull gold after they spawn for the first time

I stand corrected, though to a tank of already aggressive males as it seems they are picking over the female, I still tend to agree that this move to adding more may be risky.

All of my angels are going into the 75, the 45 will be a salt water im gonna shop around for some angels and chose the ones thatb seem like females to me and when they meet the others we'll see what happens

putting all your angels in the 75 gallon and then adding more, IMO is still out of the limit. 6 is a lot for even a 75 gallon... This of course though is of my personal opinion. I have 5 now in a 75 gallon and it seems like they are stretching it at times.

 

[Star_Rider]

sexing young angels (or any angels) for the novice it nearly impossible. even for a trained eye it is difficult until they spawn.

as for the 75..moving all the angels to this tank ..including the mated pair could rpove to be problematic.

while the 75 is larger..it is still not large enough for 1 mated pair and 4 others..let alone adding more.
the mates pair may take up as much as half of the tank. it would be better to find a breeder tank or atleast a 29 for the mated pair.
also as the males get older(if they don't get killed buy a dominant male).they may stretch their wings(so to speak) and may show signs of aggression to the other angels.

it is hit and miss with angels.

if you are planning a marine tank for the 45..what's it going to be FOWLR or reef or fish only?(just curious)

 

[bettagurl]

putting all your angels in the 75 gallon and then adding more, IMO is still out of the limit. 6 is a lot for even a 75 gallon... This of course though is of my personal opinion. I have 5 now in a 75 gallon and it seems like they are stretching it at times.

:iagree:
I had 2 pairs in my 55g, I ended up selling one pair because of agression, and 4 angels seemed like alot to me.
I would just find a home for the other males, or not set up a SW(and use the tank for your pair) and take care of the problem at hand before starting any more projects.

I suggest that you(at the very least) do not add any other angels.