Mafia #29 Biological Badlands #2

[Hooked Newbie]

Wow, not really much today...

I'm going to list those topping my thoughts right now.

Zigman- The only way I could see the hit on Z being a "setup" would be for the evils to be inexperienced and there are only 2 "noobs", one of which is Zigman. The only other plausible thing would be for him to have gone off on his own and I doubt that. I know he's new to the games, but in other threads he posts well so I don't think he's a "bumbler". I have him leaning Innocent.

Ice- My concern here is twofold. I haven't been that concerned about him and realized that it's because after Morsegate he went kind of quiet. He's Neutral for me.

Grins- I have her Neutral too. She's seemed helpful, but in looking back at who Zsand was going after before he focused in on Zigman, Grins and Jpap were the two I saw him questioning. I'm not going to "manipulate" anything by pulling the posts. I suggest everyone go look back at his posts. Use the search this thread feature.

Jpappy- I have leaning Evil. See about about Z. That with the preemptive answers before night about his thoughts on Zigman just don't sit right to me.

Ogre- Has gone quiet. Neutral, but I need to see more from him.

JL- Neutral, but I really want to see him as evil and usually do.

Catfish- Leaning evil or extreme noob. I don't trust anyone that trusts me too early in a game. I'd feel the same way if he listed Ice, Ogre, Plant, JL, or Grins as Innocent. Leaning innocent maybe, but only those already dead are for sure.

CL- I'm not sure. Neutral for now, but I'd lke to see more from him than the post and run flurries.

Plant- See Ogre.

My vote will most likely land on Jpappy or Catfish (at least initially). Hopefully we get more posting tonight and tomorrow.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

Ummm Ogre, ZSand was hit last night.

Yeah, what she said. I suspect he was innocent too. The biggest clue for me was Rb's post.

 

[johnlarson66]

This series is exactly why people are looking at you catfish. And now, no one else has a clue either, except the bad guys. That's the point behind the whole game.

This series, I think, shows some issues with catfish's statements. He declares Zig innocent. That's a real no-no in mafia games, but he might not know that because he's new.

THen he declares he's not being coached. In my mind, this could go a number of ways. He could be innocent, he could be evil and not being coached, or he could be lying. I don't think he's lying. Surely his evil teammates would have reigned him in by now. He is a little obvious... but then, who first time as mafia isn't?

I know that the days of heavy control by the mafia don are gone. A few games back, the mafia were about to win and we didn't have any real discussions about what to say and how to say it. Not like the first few games where we read everything to each other beforehand. So, if he's evil, he probably isn't being coached.

Is he innocent? There are just a few things that bother me about that. The 'zig is innocent' statement. But then again, why would an evil try to latch onto someone already under suspicsion?

The last quote kind of bothers me, Grins was trying to explain the game to him, not help, but not hurt either. On the other hand catfish has a point, few players look more innocent than the evil ones.

I just don't know. If there seems to be a consensus among the players that are not at the top of my suspect list, then I'd be willing to vote for catfish.

Cory Lover is interesting as well, seemingly trying to latch onto Grins.

Here's my current listing
Highly suspect evil
Ice, Plantling, Hooked

Lightly Supect Evil
John, catfish, zig, Cory

suspect innocent
Zsand, Grins

I am glad to see that you suspect ZSand as innocent. I am going to go out on a limb and say that you also suspect Lady G and judgemax to be innocent.

Another notch for Ogre.

 

[jpappy789]

Sorry JMax, I mistook your vote and run post as an evil deed. Ironically it was because I too have been busy with RL and didn't get a chance to study the thread better and come up with a better candidate.

But to Ice who was asking I had JM ranked a little higher in suspicion than JL at the time. And if JM was evil then JL most likely was innocent. Also there was still a small chance of JL's lone vote on JM being a distancing tactic as well.


Just wondering Zig, have you played Mafia here or elsewhere before?


I understand keeping the good aggressive players if they were innocent but why would the evils want to off me? I know my list sucks a bit and I have to rethink it but am I that tame?


Well JP you weren't on the receiving end of those clues. We (the Witches) were floored. The clues lead very close to most if not all of us. It took some talking to get us out of trouble, as I remember it. However, that said, the clues in this game SUCK so far. There is one clue that I would like to go and look at more though in just a bit.


And Grins you don't remember killing me off day 2 of that game we were in? Was it Ice's idea? He may have been spying on me while I and the communicating innocents were IM'ing.

Good point, but from my perspective and showing how the game ended, it wasn't a very helpful time for the townies.

What could the lingering genetic effects be? Only LG and JL were evil in the first game and LG is gone and innocent. I have been flip-flopping on JL. However JP was switched to evil at the end, I believe. So I'm wondering if at least one of those two are evil currently.

JL what do you think of JP and JP what do you think of JL?

JL doesnt stick out to me atm. He did the whole morse code thing but was very calm about it, which on the flip-side might have been a ruse, but at this time there is nothing else to go on. And I wouldnt see John as the type of player to do something like that. He is good enough at hiding in plain sight as it is. So, I have him leaning innocent.

If there are any "genetic effects" lingering from game 8, I do not know about it.

As far as me and JP and the last game, let's say that the bala stated that one of the two of us were evil, then I would vote to test JP. Even as a third party, if JL and LG were evil in game 8 and JP was altered from innocent to evil and now knowing that LG was innocent, then it could be assumed that I am also innocent.

The problem with all of this is that the bala has not stated that either JL or JP is evil.

I think this was just rb's way of responding to the morse code, but maybe there is something to it. It was posted many posts ago.

The good thing about the blue mist is that most likely a dead player or two will come back and play.

The bad thing about the blue mist is that there are going to be nightfalls where we are going to wonder what in the world is going on.

I agree with the above. I certiainly do not know about the "lingering effects" and IMO the clues are too vague to even start dechiphering who or what they are pointing at.

Though of course I would end up responding the same way as JL would if his hypothetical situation for some reason happened.

I don't have time to read all the posts after I shut down the comp but I do remember reading last night some people claiming Z being hit somewhat clears or does clear Zigman. To steal Ogres saying that is Bull cookies.

The possibility that Zig is the leader got nervous about Z and put in the hit without consulting is very high. I think the ones pushing that mafia WOULDN'T make a move like that are trying to cover up his mistake.

As for the hints:

I believe the one about a few self satisfied at the lynch could be the evils that were on JM.

The one about genetic testing still lingering could easily be Jpap since he was the only one ALTERED in the last game. Would also explain why he is so against looking at the clues.

With that said and because by finding out what Zig is will help decipher what others might be I vote to genetically test Zigman

Yes Ice, I am soooooo against looking at the clues because I am afraid you will find me with your amazing plans to root out the evil...

well zig the fact that i pointed my finger at you for the hit is because it seems way to much like you overreacted because zsand was to close to you from the start but i did take the time to look at the fact that like some of the others said it would seem like a good way to set you up so that makes me believe that you are innocent

so with that said i still think that grins is evil because because she is trying to kick the weeds with saying im evil just because im pushing hard to figure out who is evil i have not tried anything to turn one on another and if you look back i changed my vote several different time because different things made different people look like they were right to be evil but nothing you did made you look innocent you were too calm and collected you seemed to wait and placed a vote that in my opinion that was a little miss placed ice to me has done nothing more than a little of the morse code bull that makes me think

innocents are
zig hooked ice jpap

suspects are
jl66 plant ogre

evil
grins cory

how am I looking innocent? or anyone else for that matter? and the absense of punctuation is killing me...:wall:

Ummm Ogre, ZSand was hit last night.

yeah...is this an "ogre moment"?:grinyes:

 

[johnlarson66]

The last quote kind of bothers me, Grins was trying to explain the game to him, not help, but not hurt either. On the other hand catfish has a point, few players look more innocent than the evil ones.

This is just a part of the post that Ogre posted.

This part just jumped out to me, besides the part that he suspects that ZSand is innocent, he also suspects Grins as being innocent, but in his post he states a good agrument for Grins being evil, but then has her as his only living innocent suspect.

 

[jpappy789]

My suspects:

Ice- I have stated earlier why I suspect him. Basically he made the morse code thing sound like a "plan to root out evils" which is a bunch of crap IMO. Then as soon as plantling mentions something about me possibley having lingering genetic effects he tries to go with that. Also, goes with the insinuation that the "satisfied evils" were those on Jmax. What mafia wouldnt be satisfied at this point?

Grins- Her "fascination" (not the best word, I know) with the clues sort of makes me wonder but at the same time I understand that my stubborness to look at the clues doesnt make me look good either. Some of her responses to questions last night did not sit with me well so only slightly leaning evil.

Hn- Not sure why but I dont see the usual Hn this game. I was surprised when he only came up with two players as possible evils...everyone else is neutral.

Cory- CL has me very concerned. He has been instigating a lot and then when things heat up he backs off into the crowd while the back-abd-forth still goes on between others. Another thing that has caught my attention is his suspects. His first "concerns" were Ogre, Zig, and Catfish. Ogre was a large suspect early yesterday because of his responses to the morse code. Zigman was being nailed last night because of his posts. And catfish was also just starting to be questioned over her reasoning for the Ogre vote. Now more recently Ogre has somehow dropped off the list while Zig and catfish remain, which are popular on many lists. Is it just me or does Cory seem to be following the crowd?

 

[OgreMkV]

This is just a part of the post that Ogre posted.

This part just jumped out to me, besides the part that he suspects that ZSand is innocent, he also suspects Grins as being innocent, but in his post he states a good agrument for Grins being evil, but then has her as his only living innocent suspect.

I didn't realize that I was giving a good argument for Grins being evil. Catfish said that and I agree with him. The people that most want to look innocent are the evil ones. Maybe that is an argument against Grins, but then it would apply to a lot of people.

My personal issues aside, Hooked and you John are looking real innocent.

 

[Hooked Newbie]

My suspects:

Ice- I have stated earlier why I suspect him. Basically he made the morse code thing sound like a "plan to root out evils" which is a bunch of crap IMO. Then as soon as plantling mentions something about me possibley having lingering genetic effects he tries to go with that. Also, goes with the insinuation that the "satisfied evils" were those on Jmax. What mafia wouldnt be satisfied at this point?

Grins- Her "fascination" (not the best word, I know) with the clues sort of makes me wonder but at the same time I understand that my stubborness to look at the clues doesnt make me look good either. Some of her responses to questions last night did not sit with me well so only slightly leaning evil.

Hn- Not sure why but I dont see the usual Hn this game. I was surprised when he only came up with two players as possible evils...everyone else is neutral.

Cory- CL has me very concerned. He has been instigating a lot and then when things heat up he backs off into the crowd while the back-abd-forth still goes on between others. Another thing that has caught my attention is his suspects. His first "concerns" were Ogre, Zig, and Catfish. Ogre was a large suspect early yesterday because of his responses to the morse code. Zigman was being nailed last night because of his posts. And catfish was also just starting to be questioned over her reasoning for the Ogre vote. Now more recently Ogre has somehow dropped off the list while Zig and catfish remain, which are popular on many lists. Is it just me or does Cory seem to be following the crowd?

Hey Pappy. Quote my post, I said LEANING EVIL. In other words, people I'm willing to vote for at this point. Everyone's a POSSIBLE evil to me at this point. Except LG, JM, Z...

Interesting that the four you list are those that have questioned you or stated they had concerns about you.

 

[Grins]

lets realize that grin is one of the ones indirectly pointing at us through all her quotes

Any particular reason why you're more paranoid than any of the rest of us about our own words being quoted?

I VOTE TO TEST GRINS

I'm sure you'll attempt to spin this into me being Dr. Gene again, but you might word that differently if you want BalaBob to count it.

not going to "manipulate" anything by pulling the posts.

:silly:That was a compliment by the way.

Yeah, what she said. I suspect he was innocent too. The biggest clue for me was Rb's post.

:lipssealedsmilie: Ogre, c'mon even you must be laughing over this one.

 

[johnlarson66]

I didn't realize that I was giving a good argument for Grins being evil. Catfish said that and I agree with him. The people that most want to look innocent are the evil ones. Maybe that is an argument against Grins, but then it would apply to a lot of people.

My personal issues aside, Hooked and you John are looking real innocent.

So, "The people that most want to look innocent are the evil ones." and then you say "Hooked and you John are looking real innocent", then most likely we are evil!

I am not sure if I like Ogre thinking I am innocent. (insert morse code here).