Ethics of wild caught fish vs tank bred

Lupin said:
PPN? Not familiar with the abbreviation.

You just made me grin at the mention of the er...you-know-what.:D :lipssealedsmilie:
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Sorry, PPN is Pet Product News.

Was it the mention of the loaches by chance? I hold you quite responsible for my addiction. :lipssealedsmilie:
 
Hooked Newbie said:
Sorry, PPN is Pet Product News.

Was it the mention of the loaches by chance? I hold you quite responsible for my addiction. :lipssealedsmilie:
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Ahh..Thanks. In answer to the last question...:grinyes:
 
Dwarf Puffers said:
So, you traveled to the amazon and caught a wild arowana and shovelnose, and proceeded to catch a "school" of captive bred pacus, SD's, and a RTC? Sounds like you bought them at a LFS. Sorry, but I hardly expect someone of 14 years of age to go to the amazon and catch captive bred fish.

Oh, and by the way... You'll need a 1000 gallon for the RTC, and tanks at least 40" deep and 36" tall for the pacus... A 300, 150 and a 125 won't be enough.
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NO NO NO..... I bought them all from the lfs. They were sold to me as ''amazon wild''. Which I don't belive they are. They told they were wild caught.
 
BigFishKeeper said:
NO NO NO..... I bought them all from the lfs. They were sold to me as ''amazon wild''. Which I don't belive they are. They told they were wild caught.
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Umm...sorry BFK but this is your quote from earlier in the thread:

"I have a few wild fish that I caught in the Amazon with my friends: A 15'' RTC, 12'' Silver Arowana, and a whole school of 12'' pacus and redhooks. I keep them with my tanK RASIED FISH AND THEY ALL ACT THE SAME. But the wilds are always hungry!"

^So did you or didn't you catch those fish with your friends as you said??^

Both of your statements can't be true, which one is it? If you keep an RTC and a "whole school of pacus", regardless of where you got them from, please listen to Dwarf Puffer -- the RTC can grow over 4 feet in aquaria, you would need 1000 gallon tank, and pacus grow over 2 feet and are fast growers. A 300 gallon is nowhere NEAR big enough for these fish as adults! Both are tank busters - do you have a 1000 gallon tank or tropical pond in the works for these fish? These are not the types of fish that are easily given away to an LFS when they grow to large....

Or do you even have them at all? I'm getting really suspicious of all your posts now, maybe it's just me.
 
lucy42083 said:
Umm...sorry BFK but this is your quote from earlier in the thread:

"I have a few wild fish that I caught in the Amazon with my friends: A 15'' RTC, 12'' Silver Arowana, and a whole school of 12'' pacus and redhooks. I keep them with my tanK RASIED FISH AND THEY ALL ACT THE SAME. But the wilds are always hungry!"

^So did you or didn't you catch those fish with your friends as you said??^

Both of your statements can't be true, which one is it? If you keep an RTC and a "whole school of pacus", regardless of where you got them from, please listen to Dwarf Puffer -- the RTC can grow over 4 feet in aquaria, you would need 1000 gallon tank, and pacus grow over 2 feet and are fast growers. A 300 gallon is nowhere NEAR big enough for these fish as adults! Both are tank busters - do you have a 1000 gallon tank or tropical pond in the works for these fish? These are not the types of fish that are easily given away to an LFS when they grow to large....

Or do you even have them at all? I'm getting really suspicious of all your posts now, maybe it's just me.
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BUSTED:grinyes:;)

I'm not off topic..wild and wild caught are used ;) ;)
 
Are the redhooks 12" too? LOL... I wonder what feeding time looks like in that tank. I think it's really irresponsible for your LFS to release tank bred fish into the Amazon for recapture. Beyond the transmission of diseases that such practices would encourage, they may also be unwittingly releasing unnatural hybrids into the wild. And I can't imagine how many they had to release for you to catch a few for your tank. Wholly deplorable and environmentally unsound behavior all around.
 
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Inka4040
your comments actually got me thinking in a similar but different direction.

Fish and Game, dept of wildlife constantly release captive raised fish back into the wild to ..enhance the run.

While I agree it is not a good practice for most..i wonder the impact of the fish release programs practiced by the state dept of wildlife.

just a thought ;)
 
I always thought that the fish (at least salmonid/trout species) released by the dept of wildlife were the ones that were actually collected as eggs/milt from the spawning runs. That would at least minmize the spread of hybrids and such... If these fry were raised with diverted natural water sources as well, then we wouldn't have to worry about transmitting unnatural diseases either. I'm afraid I don't know much about how these things are actually done though.
 
Actually they usually collect returns of the non-wild fish.

in the case of salmon..many of the hatcheries are located at the source.
but in the case of trout. rainbow etc these are raised in hatcheries away from the source then added back to the rivers, streams ,pond and lakes.


oddly the German brown trout(actually a char) are non -native and have caused issues in many of the natural ecosystems..outcompeting the native species.

and in some cases purposely adding hybrids(sterile) to the ecosystem.
 
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