Recommendations for fish food

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=814156&postcount=23

and then this courtesy of Anne (beblondie).
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Nice. What I find to be the most interesting is the very bottom of the article...

free in water the following happens After 30 seconds this applies to
water soluble vitamins only
Vitamin b6 loss 15%
Folic Acid loss 20%
Choline loss 30%
Panothenic acid loss 50%
Vitamin C loss 70%
Vitamin B12 loss 90%


Most people insist that you must soak foods first, but, if certain vitamins are being leeched out of the food when you soak, is it really ideal to soak? If you mix the diet up with enough variety of frozen/live foods and the pellets, would that not be enough to prevent any harm caused by not soaking pellets? I've personally fed a pure pellet diet to numerous fish without a single problem, and in fact, most fish won't even eat soaked pellets. So, any theories on that?
 
According to the posted list from Lupin by Anne (beblondie) regular earthworms appear to be very high in crude protein, low in crude fat and fairly high in calcium. Does anyone on this site feed their fish earthworms? Do you have to be careful about introducing bacteria with them? Do you need to flush out the internal digested material. Should you be concerned how much protein you provide in the diet of smaller tropical fish... For instance...how often should you feed your fish frozen Bloodworms or Tubifex worms? Also, I was surprised an analysis for live or frozen brine shrimp were not listed as I would think many people still regularly feed it to their fish!
 
In my old tank, I alternated from tubifex to blood worms to tetramin granules.


However, once my betta had a taste of blood worms, he refused to eat anything else. I guess I spoiled him :grinyes:
 
According to the posted list from Lupin by Anne (beblondie) regular earthworms appear to be very high in crude protein, low in crude fat and fairly high in calcium. Does anyone on this site feed their fish earthworms? Do you have to be careful about introducing bacteria with them? Do you need to flush out the internal digested material. Should you be concerned how much protein you provide in the diet of smaller tropical fish... For instance...how often should you feed your fish frozen Bloodworms or Tubifex worms? Also, I was surprised an analysis for live or frozen brine shrimp were not listed as I would think many people still regularly feed it to their fish!
AquariArt, earthworms have always been suggested for predatory fish and yes, they are indeed very high in proteins which is why they are unsuitable for purely vegetarians. As far as cleaning them before feeding to the fish, use damp tissue papers so they will excrete the soil in their body thus they become 'clean' for food consumption. I'm not surprised earthworms are eaten by some people around the globe.;)

As for being concerned with the guaranteed analysis, yes, you should be. Herbivores have very long intestines and since proteins are not easy to digest, they may accummulate inside the intestines resulting in distended abdomen thus the fish suffers from what we call 'Malawi bloat'. This is the very reason why it is a common occurrence that pseudotropheus cichlids suffer from it after consuming huge amounts of protein-loaded foods. What the herbivores need is high fiber diet with very little proteins.

As far as bloodworms and tubifex worms for herbivores, feed them once in a while to herbivores. Better yet, don't and focus on vegetable matter instead. Leave those meaty foods to the haplochromis and the rest of the predatory fish.
 
However, once my betta had a taste of blood worms, he refused to eat anything else. I guess I spoiled him :grinyes:
This is the problem with bloodworms. While bettas are certainly carnivorous, a high protein intake can be very dangerous. As I mentioned before, proteins are not easily digested and could easily accummulate inside the internal organs thus resulting in digestive problems.
 
Most people insist that you must soak foods first, but, if certain vitamins are being leeched out of the food when you soak, is it really ideal to soak? If you mix the diet up with enough variety of frozen/live foods and the pellets, would that not be enough to prevent any harm caused by not soaking pellets? I've personally fed a pure pellet diet to numerous fish without a single problem, and in fact, most fish won't even eat soaked pellets. So, any theories on that?
The only reason most people insist on soaking the pellets is that pellets tend to increase in size when soaked in water and if the fish eats them rather quickly, the fish is bound to 'inflate' thus suffering from digestive problems. Like most of us have said before, feed sparingly. Many people unfortunately are quick on the uptake to feed the fish thus the fish looks severely bloated after several minutes. Same thing can be said with flakes.
 
YA!!! What lupin said....

I agree NLS is THE premium fish food. I feed frozen bbs, brine, bloodworms and fresh veggies for whole foods and usually omega one flakes but I have found my fish like the Aqueon brand better, also feed algae disks, shrimp pellets, micro pellets.....

All depends on who is at the dinner table......
 
The only reason most people insist on soaking the pellets is that pellets tend to increase in size when soaked in water and if the fish eats them rather quickly, the fish is bound to 'inflate' thus suffering from digestive problems. Like most of us have said before, feed sparingly. Many people unfortunately are quick on the uptake to feed the fish thus the fish looks severely bloated after several minutes. Same thing can be said with flakes.


But, with the way certain vitamins leech out, wouldn't it be more intelligent to just feed a small amount of pellets?
 
But, with the way certain vitamins leech out, wouldn't it be more intelligent to just feed a small amount of pellets?
That's what I meant by 'feeding sparingly'.:D
 
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