Mafia 40 "Life behind bars" The Play

[Lady G]

Firstly, everyone needs to pay attention to the fact that we're on 24 hour days now, and that nightfall is actually tonight...way too many UDs last night.

Since yesterday, Noodles has definitely become more interesting to me. The thing that has interested me most about Noodles is the confused newbie routine that seems to becoming more apparent. The continuing 'Huh? Wait. What's going on?' is starting to seem a little over the top. It's been done before, and IMO, makes her a good candidate for snitch.

NJ, you said, yourself, that there's not much to go with when voting on Day 1. Based on your actions, you were a pretty good Day 1 vote. Then, the fact that you got so jumpy early, and started accusing everyone who voted for you of being scum made you seem really defensive this round. Now coupled with the 'Go ahead lynch me...I don't care,' it makes you a great candidate. If you truly didn't care, you wouldn't be fighting so hard.

This is a pretty good observation about BKW, but I wouldn't be so quick to let him off the hook. Granted BKW was sandwiched by Chill and Dawg, but keep in mind he was suggesting his plan on Day 1, and there was the possibility to alter the list through shankings and beatdowns before the plan would take place.

Remember that BKW did vote for Dawg, whose death moved Z up to the position below him. Because of the fact that Z earlier leaned BKW innocent, if there's a pair there, I tend to like BKW/Z over DD/Z.

Not sure who I'll vote for at this point, but my strongest candidates would be NeonJulie, Noodles, or jbradt (if he's still playing). Not too sure about a BKW/Z pairing, but if one ended up as snitch it would be a good idea to look hard at the other.

That is a good point really about BKW and Z. Now, you have my head spinning agian with possibilities. Really, that makes since to me alot of since. Added with the fact that the two he was between are both gone and were both innocents. Although, now I have to add what if Z, BKW and DD are all snitches. DD really has done nothing to make me wonder about her, so it is hard for me to say she is...but it would be a good way for them to "look" good to others had we followed the plan...there would be no duplicate investigation and they could each come out and say the person they investigated was innocent. The one under DD would come out and say she was a snitch...but she could retaliate easily by saying they must be a snitch trying to get her shanked. GAH...now I have even myself confused. As far as DD, I would have to see more from her before I thought she was actually a snitch. I was pretty much thinking out loud as I thought of things last night.

I agree with Zsand but I believe we need to team up our investigations so we can trust what is said. If it is one persons word no one will trust it but if both use thier investigation then everyone can trust it.

If you agree with me I will investigate the same person as any of you if you agree, it will create someone you can trust or some one you can lynch. This in my mind would make things more believeable with who people say they investigated and what the outcome was.

Ummm, that would make it easy for the snitches now wouldn't it...if they say "oh, I agree lets investigate so and so" knowing that person would come up as innocent.

Lg that is really convoluted logic right there, but you are entitled to your opinion. I agree that BKW looks pretty clear right now though. My only thought is that if you could have worked NJ into that somehow everything would be all lined up for you. Taking out DD, NJ and myself would clear the field for you.

Again, you are correct that I voted for the Doc, and I've said numerous times that this is one of my weak points. I can usually tell when someone is off, but whether it is because they are a baddie or a PR, this is where I need to continue to work. However, your accusations of me last night were that I was defending BKW. Those were the posts I asked you to find, this is not what you've have pulled here, but instead something entirely different.

Yes, if you are all snitches it would "clear the field for me" you are right. As I stated I'm not sure about it...just was a thought I had and the more I thought about it the more it made since to me. Doll, though I'm not sure about if things would of worked out different and everyone agreed to do the plan..., Doll could of been the one taken out.

Right now I have to say that NJ, is still very high on my list....Z has made the way up there and now I am going back and forth with BKW.

 

[noodles62]

What's REALLY interesting, Noodles, is your poker analogy. The only similarity between Poker and Mafia is the bluffing done by certain players. Looks like you could accidentally be admitting to bluffing poorly in this game, too?

If I defend myself I look guilty, if I don't then I may be accused of reacting as NJ does and everyone thinks she is guilty. i will just continue to play but not ask questions......I have an idea on who to investigate and will place my vote well before night fall.

 

[noodles62]

Seems like there are a few people that are not talking a whole lot about finding the snitches; wonder what they have to hide? Or are the ones doing the talking just playing charades so everyone thinks they are innocent.....I will wait and listen....

 

[[AC] Doomsday998]

Ummm, that would make it easy for the snitches now wouldn't it...if they say "oh, I agree lets investigate so and so" knowing that person would come up as innocent.

No you get one random person to choose. They will choose 2 people to investigate the chooser. Then the 2 people come back and tell us of their results. But the 2 people who investigated would also be investigated themselves. It would be a pyramid style.

1
/ \
2 2
/ \ / \
3 3 3 3

Sorta like this. It would eat up 6 investigations but it would prove 3 people without a doubt. It would create up to 4 people if their investigations were different.​

 

[jm1212]

No you get one random person to choose. They will choose 2 people to investigate the chooser. Then the 2 people come back and tell us of their results. But the 2 people who investigated would also be investigated themselves. It would be a pyramid style.

1
/ \
2 2
/ \ / \
3 3 3 3​

Sorta like this. It would eat up 6 investigations but it would prove 3 people without a doubt. It would create up to 4 people if their investigations were different.​

Should we really spend our investigations like that? We *may* be able to find out who others really are, but then again both still could be lying. This sounds more like a ploy to get us to use up our investigations. Using up 6 investigations to get 3 identities is not an efficient method whatsoever.

 

[[AC] Doomsday998]

well see jm the theory is that atleast one of the picked persons end up innocent and then the other is proven snitch. In the end I guess you could have 7 for the price of 6 if you wanna trust enough to lynch the person they say is evil.

 

[ZSandmann]

That won't work regardless Doom, if we say who we are investigating, then we make ourselves a target if we will find a Snitch. We have to go it in the dark. I put all the remaining players in a hat and drew out the one I will investigate, that way there is no bias on my part. I recommend everyone do the same.

 

[IceH2O]

Lg that is really convoluted logic right there, but you are entitled to your opinion. I agree that BKW looks pretty clear right now though. My only thought is that if you could have worked NJ into that somehow everything would be all lined up for you. Taking out DD, NJ and myself would clear the field for you.

First I'm not sure what you mean by this.

2ndly. I have been thinking all day about this and at 1st I was thinking well Bkw is clear.No way he'd try to push that plan knowing he was a goner. Then I started thinking the only way I could see him doing that is to think they were part of the Underground and there was no way they could come back and say Bkw was a snitch.Might be why the sudden turn on Dawg and then he put Chill up for the beat down. Still risky though as the beat down requires putting 2 names in. How would he know that Chill would be chosen.Guess it could be worth the risk though.

Since yesterday, Noodles has definitely become more interesting to me. The thing that has interested me most about Noodles is the confused newbie routine that seems to becoming more apparent. The continuing 'Huh? Wait. What's going on?' is starting to seem a little over the top. It's been done before, and IMO, makes her a good candidate for snitch.

This is a pretty good observation about BKW, but I wouldn't be so quick to let him off the hook. Granted BKW was sandwiched by Chill and Dawg, but keep in mind he was suggesting his plan on Day 1, and there was the possibility to alter the list through shankings and beatdowns before the plan would take place.

Remember that BKW did vote for Dawg, whose death moved Z up to the position below him. Because of the fact that Z earlier leaned BKW innocent, if there's a pair there, I tend to like BKW/Z over DD/Z.

Lets start off with paragraph 1 then work down from there.

I agree Noodles is pushing the confused card but not everyone has a good grasp of the game. I am well aware it could be a ploy but I wouldn't feel comfortable voting for her without some kind of proof. Part of my noob reach out plan.

Para 2

I'm on the fence on this one as I stated above. Its a pretty risky move to make because you are not able to know which person sent in will be the actual death.I didn't like the plan to begin with and still don't. It was my reason for voting Bkw to begin with. With more thought I might return there.

Para 3

Well 3 is covered in 2. Pretty risky move.Was it worth taking is what I need to think through.

I agree with Zsand but I believe we need to team up our investigations so we can trust what is said. If it is one persons word no one will trust it but if both use thier investigation then everyone can trust it.

If you agree with me I will investigate the same person as any of you if you agree, it will create someone you can trust or some one you can lynch. This in my mind would make things more believeable with who people say they investigated and what the outcome was.

No you get one random person to choose. They will choose 2 people to investigate the chooser. Then the 2 people come back and tell us of their results. But the 2 people who investigated would also be investigated themselves. It would be a pyramid style.

1
/ \
2 2
/ \ / \
3 3 3 3

Sorta like this. It would eat up 6 investigations but it would prove 3 people without a doubt. It would create up to 4 people if their investigations were different.​

This is as dumb as Bkws plan and moves you up the ladder quickly. If we announce who we are investigating then the snitches could just send in the beat down on the players they feel is the bigger threat or more likely would cause the most confusion.


You say it eats up 6 investigations. Are you saying there are 6 innocents that can investigate? That leaves 2 underground that can't and now the BIG RED SIGN 5 snitches? How would you know how many of what there is?

I'll let you explain before I place my vote on you.

What's REALLY interesting, Noodles, is your poker analogy. The only similarity between Poker and Mafia is the bluffing done by certain players. Looks like you could accidentally be admitting to bluffing poorly in this game, too?

Just when I think Noodles is just a noob she pulls out the analogy. Hmmm.

That won't work regardless Doom, if we say who we are investigating, then we make ourselves a target if we will find a Snitch. We have to go it in the dark. I put all the remaining players in a hat and drew out the one I will investigate, that way there is no bias on my part. I recommend everyone do the same.

Someone actually gets it!

 

[jbradt]

I have to agree, I still do like jbradt *(actually I think Chill wasn't on my list but jbradt was) as a bit guilty and his last post stating he would sit out because he iffended rb, I think was a clever ploy... and screams being coached.

Clever ploy? :grinyes: Coached, sorry; there you're mistaken.

this caught my eye also, especially since he previously posted claiming that he does not have a guilt factor

Good catch jm, I was wondering when someone would bring that up.

Basically, this is a case of a newb getting in a little over his head and needing some space to sort things out. Unfortunately, I got hosed on time today, and this is the only post I'll be able to make before nightfall... so I have to vote now without having had time to really read today's posts. With this in mind, I vote to shank Neon Julie. Basically, this decision is because she asked for it, and from what I understand, she is playing differently than usual. Again, a small reason, but I have very limited time today.

I realize you will all think I took time out to get "coaching" from more experienced players, and if this is the case you can shank me or investigate me... I welcome it as I have nothing to hide.

Now I can't wait to read all the conjecture about this when I get home again!

 

[IceH2O]

If I am reading this right we're going to have a lot of UDs.

Vote tally

Lg-1- NJ