36gal growth/algae problems

Dan06

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I have a 36g tank with aquariumplants.com own soil, Nova Extreme 2x24 light.

About a year ago I planted this tank with small Wisteria, Pennywort, Nana & Java Moss. The tank took off growing large & lush Wisteria, the Pennywort grew like a weed with huge lilly pads, the Nana grew and was sprouting 2-3 new leaves a month & the moss had to be removed because it was taking over. I did weekly water changes of 25%, little to no gravel vacuuming. Eventually an oily residue on the top of the water surface became very heavy and not long after the tank picked up a gross odor. Skimming the oily residue, vacuuming the gravel weekly for several months made no improvement whatsoever. Not long after, plant growth slowed, lower leaves would die and shrivel up on the Wisteria, new growth was still coming at the top of the plant looking very healthy, but after 2-3 weeks it would develop a reddish/brown algae, I figured maybe all those water changes over a long period of time did it, so I slowed water changes, let nitrates build to 10ppm and went on a two week water change strike and nothing got better.

Several times in the past few months I've trimmed the plants to only leave behind the good clean parts on the Wisteria, it grows at a good pace but eventually gets covered in the reddish/brown algae, lower leaves die, the Nana is still growing strong, but the older leaves aren't as healthy looking as the new. The crypt is stunted while new leaves still come, but they all crinkle and turn brown on the edges.

Nitrates were 10ppm the last time I gave the tank a good cleaning. I've spent the last month slowly changing the filter media that was really really gross. No mini cycles or anything, Nitrates were 10ppm before my last good water change and vacuuming.

I'm at my wits end with this tank. I have a 10g Q tank that is housing guppies with identical plants with normal gravel that is absolutely thriving and the Wisteria looks incredibly, the Java moss is home to countless guppy fry , but it's being lit up by a 40 watt desk light. There is only algae growth on one Wisteria plant that is directly under the light, there is absolutely no oil residue.

I'm ready to break the 36g down and clean everything and start new if I can't figure out what is happening. I've given fish away, brought some overly large sharks that grew much larger than the tank could handle a couple months ago. The bio-load is extremely small, for the past 2 months the tank has only housed a Bristle nose pleco and ONE Rasbora.

I forgot to mention that the habits of the Wisteria in both tanks are very different. The Wistera in the 36 gal, opens and closes. In the morning when I turn the lights on, the Wistera has pulled itself almost closed, after a few hours of the lights being on it fully opens and relaxes, but after about 6 hours of light it closes back up again. However the Wisteria in the 10g Q tank, is fully open and relaxed 24 hours a day.
 
What wattage is the light? What's the photoperiod?

The oily residue is most likely a natural protein buildup. Increased surface agitation helps IME.

Have you been dosing any fertilizers or CO2? It sounds like nutrients and carbon may be lacking, slowing your plant growth and letting algae take over.
 
What wattage is the light? What's the photoperiod?

The oily residue is most likely a natural protein buildup. Increased surface agitation helps IME.

Have you been dosing any fertilizers or CO2? It sounds like nutrients and carbon may be lacking, slowing your plant growth and letting algae take over.

I've never dosed with ferts or CO2. Everything took off so great to begin with, I thought I would be okay.The Light is a Nova Extreme 2x24w for Freshwater.I've increased the surface agitation as that is what everyone recommends, but all it does it push a clean channel of water coming out of the Fluval305 I have, the oil builds up elsewhere. It's excessive, I can completely skim the tank and wipe down the glass, top off with 5gallons of fresh water & an hour later there is enough oil to skim off again.

I'm going to attach some pictures now. The tank with red gravel is the Q tank, the Wisteria is much greener, the light is so bright that my Iphone couldn't handle it. The picture with the nice growth was probably 2 months after I planted the tank and everything was great. The other pictures with the low cut plants are what I'm dealing with now.

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The 5g change I did tonight, small vacuum, skimmed all oil/wiped the left over off the inside, 3 hours later it's thick enough to skim again.
 
A 'high end' freshwater store I traveled to yesterday suggested I have a nutrient issue despite the aquariumplants.com soil, he suggested I wipe all the plants down and experiment with root tabs.

Sounds right?
 
The aquariumplants.com substrate is basically soilmaster select I believe, in which case it doesn't contain nutrients itself. Root tabs are an option, though you have to be careful not to uproot them. Liquid ferts are another. Injecting CO2 will also help plant growth.
 
I have build a DIY CO2 setup, but have yet to experiment with it. I should have taken pictures of the plants before I trimmed them down, but other than the tops the lower 3/4 of the plant was just wasting away, it wasn't melting, everything because very skinny, dark and would easily break away, only the tops were healthy.

I just don't quite understand why my small tank with absolutely no fertilizers other than 2 adult guppies and dozens of fry is growing lush healthy plants versus my large tank. But I guess I need to stop comparing the two.

I've never messed with Fertilizers, could you or someone else point me in the right direction?
 
Plants need the following nutrients:

CO2
nitrates
phosphates
potassium
calcium
magnesium
a variety of trace minerals (micro nutrients)

As you increase the light and/or CO2, the drain on nutrients increases so it will be important to add these. The cheapest way to get these nutrients is to buy them in dry form from www.aquariumfertilizer.com, so you're not paying for water. There are several varieties of ferts at the site, the ones you need are:

KNO3 (potassium + nitrates)
KH2PO4 (phosphates)
CSM+B (trace mix)
GH Booster (calcium + magnesium + potassium)

Once you have them, use a fertilizer calculator like Chuck Gadd's or APC's fertilator to find out how much you need to dose for your tank. At your light level I would dose twice a week.
 
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