Mafia #51 - Mafia Citizens - The Play

[jbradt]

We got to get rid of coler or rb. The way they talk, is that they are planning together to save each other. Unless they are both citzens, and are cheating by communcating. Which one is it? Why would you save each other. After tonight, kash seems to even more just scream out scum.
As again,
I vote to lynch kash
This is early, but people need to notice her. This is subject to change, looking at RB and coler.

Wow, so much to peruse again, but I'm going to pull this one for now...

TRS, the italicized line and the bolded line just don't work in the same post. How can you say what "we got to do" then do something diometrically opposed to that goal? Why does Kash scream out scum to you? This is starting to really look like a vendetta, and with me, it's losing you credibility.

I'd also like to hear more from Coler and RB about their votes. Their exchange will be the first one I look into. Now that we know a little bit about what's what, I'm going to look more closely at the "train" on Kash too.

That was a rough night, hope tomorrow goes better.

 

[jbradt]

Wow, so much to peruse again, but I'm going to pull this one for now...

TRS, the italicized line and the bolded line just don't work in the same post. How can you say what "we got to do" then do something diometrically opposed to that goal? Why does Kash scream out scum to you? This is starting to really look like a vendetta, and with me, it's losing you credibility.

I'd also like to hear more from Coler and RB about their votes. Their exchange will be the first one I look into. Now that we know a little bit about what's what, I'm going to look more closely at the "train" on Kash too.

That was a rough night, hope tomorrow goes better.

oops... meant to say "the red line and the bolded line"... :thm:

 

[Madcrawdad]

Wish I'd been on here earlier.. looks like my posting is what attracted all this attention. Yet the reasoning doesn't make sense. If I was collaborating and communicating, the first thing I would have done after getting such a PM would have been to go collaborate and communicate... not post in the thread.

Those who are on me have it wrong because I'm with the town.. plain and simple.

Trying my best to catch up on the thread and defend myself now, I'm not sure yet where to place my vote.

If you were collaborating and communicating, "the first thing you would have done would be to go collaborate and communicate...not post in the thread?" If you recall, we were scumbuddies last game. I can confirm, absolutely 100% that you posted in the thread before any of the team communicated. Nice try, Kashta.

I know I am innocent so I'll use my vote now to save myself.

I vote to lynch The Zigman.

Nice reason for a vote there.... "I'll use my vote to save myself." Pretty clear.

Plantling, I am with the town... plain and simple. You guys had me wrong as a PR player because I posted early. This theory seems strange to me. If I'd received a PM and was collaborating and communicating with other players I would have gone off to collaborate and communicate, not post in the thread.

Oh, I disagree. I can provide links to the last game thread and our chatroom if you like for confirmation, Kashta. You posted then (as scum) before talking with any of your teammates.

There's a lot in this thread for us all to review now. We've lost both Zig and Ice who were innocents. I didn't know Zig was innocent when I had to still vote and there was building suspicion against him now which you had raised previously. I was hoping you and the others were right and that my last-minute vote would not just save my neck but also help the town in the process.

Nice backtracking here...very trusting of other players. Even if you didn't 'hope' that people were right about Zig, would you have voted elsewhere?

Man I missed all the craziness at Nightfall...

Plant I don't like what you did there, Kash saved themself, I think we all would do that regardless of role.

I'm not voting anyone right out the gate but I would like to see what people think of the Coler and Rb shuffle, losing a Citizen, losing Ice (whatever he is, the Mist did something), and what's up with Mostly joining us on Day 2?

I don't like what plantling, Coler and RB did either, Z. Of the three, plantling's vote seemed the most illogical, Coler's seemed the most opportunistic, and unfortunately deliberately attempting to be distracting has become RB's MO in a lot of these games. Of the three, Coler's vote concerns me the most.

But if you're concerned about what Coler and RB did, Z, you must think they did it to save Kashta, right? Still makes Kashta a good vote, doesn't it?

I vote to lynch Kashta

 

[mostlycichlids]

I retract my vote for zigman. I vote to lynch kash

I have had to do a lot of catch up reading but your switch is not logical to me. It did not count but I would like some explanation as to why you tried to change your vote last minute.

Welcome to the game mostlycichlids.

I really don't like her last ditch effort to save herself w/a vote for Zigman and no other reason.

I vote to lynch Kashta

Thanks for the welcome, again what basis do you have to judge someone elses last minute switch....from what I see it was to save their self. You tried to make a last minute switch really for no reason I can see besides random, correct me if I am wrong.

Man I missed all the craziness at Nightfall...

Plant I don't like what you did there, Kash saved themself, I think we all would do that regardless of role.

I'm not voting anyone right out the gate but I would like to see what people think of the Coler and Rb shuffle, losing a Citizen, losing Ice (whatever he is, the Mist did something), and what's up with Mostly joining us on Day 2?

From what I have read and I will admit I have skimmed through some of the posts..but RB and Coler seem to be communicating in some sort of way, have not figured out what their roles are yet, kind of foggy for me still at this point. Thanks for the warm welcome BTW....are you worried I may be another good guy?

We got to get rid of coler or rb. The way they talk, is that they are planning together to save each other. Unless they are both citzens, and are cheating by communcating. Which one is it? Why would you save each other. After tonight, kash seems to even more just scream out scum.
As again,
I vote to lynch kash
This is early, but people need to notice her. This is subject to change, looking at RB and coler.

You don't make sense to me...why do you say "We got to get rid of coler or rb" in the first line but then end by saying you are voting to lynch Kash? Why do people need to notice her, I am curious for your reasoning? I think by saying "people need to notice her" screams don't look at me. Is this your plan to draw as much attention away from yourself? Also, maybe you are trying to protect RB and Coler, now that needs to be looked at too dont ya think?!

If you were collaborating and communicating, "the first thing you would have done would be to go collaborate and communicate...not post in the thread?" If you recall, we were scumbuddies last game. I can confirm, absolutely 100% that you posted in the thread before any of the team communicated. Nice try, Kashta.



Nice reason for a vote there.... "I'll use my vote to save myself." Pretty clear.



Oh, I disagree. I can provide links to the last game thread and our chatroom if you like for confirmation, Kashta. You posted then (as scum) before talking with any of your teammates.



Nice backtracking here...very trusting of other players. Even if you didn't 'hope' that people were right about Zig, would you have voted elsewhere?



I don't like what plantling, Coler and RB did either, Z. Of the three, plantling's vote seemed the most illogical, Coler's seemed the most opportunistic, and unfortunately deliberately attempting to be distracting has become RB's MO in a lot of these games. Of the three, Coler's vote concerns me the most.

But if you're concerned about what Coler and RB did, Z, you must think they did it to save Kashta, right? Still makes Kashta a good vote, doesn't it?

I vote to lynch Kashta

There is a lot of logic to what you said here..not really...looks like everyone is jumping on the banwagon with the votes..two innocents/townies what ever are gone. The scum have the upper hand...you bring up a lot of old games which has nothing to do really with this one besides tendencies of other players. I really have notheing to say. I dk at this point what to think about them I have never played with a lot of you but I bet it will be fun to see what happens in day two.

 

[Coler]

Guys that vote sucked - I will absolutely explain myself. I'm not posting all the quotes of people seeking explanations but these represent the issues I think.

UGH!! this sucks....

I am not liking that, plant.... out of all the votes on Zig, I think hers actually makes the best sense.... everyone else, I don't see any solid foundation. Does this make me think Kash is on a innocent side, no on your life... out of all last nights votes, I think I am most interested on the reasons from Coler and RB....

I actually accept that in a vacuum so to speak a person on a lynch is entitled to save themselves. It doesn't mean they are pro-town.

I am very suspicisious of plantlings 'last minute effort'. Plant said much earlier - I will move to Kashta if necessary. I am not for a moment saying I was entitled to sort of rely on that but look how long Kash and Zigman are tied for - an appreciable period of time, after rbishops vote (more on that later). Plantling only came on when Kashta went to vote Zigman.

Which means PLantling would have been happy for a tie between Kashta and Zigman ?

Or...didn't even want a tie but wanted a post-nightfall vote which wouldn't count and an opportunity to post 'crap'.

Basically, why didn't Plantling move on kashta when it tied ?

I agree on the part in bold above. The votes for Zig came out of nowhere close to nightfall.

I have had to do a lot of catch up reading but your switch is not logical to me. It did not count but I would like some explanation as to why you tried to change your vote last minute.

Thanks for the welcome, again what basis do you have to judge someone elses last minute switch....from what I see it was to save their self. You tried to make a last minute switch really for no reason I can see besides random, correct me if I am wrong.

From what I have read and I will admit I have skimmed through some of the posts..but RB and Coler seem to be communicating in some sort of way, have not figured out what their roles are yet, kind of foggy for me still at this point...

I freakin assure you bob and I are not communicating. My vote for Zigman did not come out of nowhere - go back through the day, I had him as suspect during the day and even after that he made that wierd post about 2 mafia teams.

I admit I was trying to put my vote where it would get a reaction and boy howdy didn't it. I also admit that I think I played myself in not voting for Kashta last night based on the available information - just didn't trust the company - they are all players who have screwed me beautifully before.

But the vote that came out of nowhere for Zigman was most certainly rbishops. And I really begin to suspect what plantling was up to at all.

At this point on Day 2 I am 100% perfectly happy to vote for Rbishop (and I said I would yesterday if anyone would join me), pretty happy to vote for Plantling or Kashta too.

And RIP Ice - here's hoping Blue Mist brings him back on the town side.

OK I'm at work - back later.

 

[Coler]

Oh yah and amidst all the smoke and sulphur hi paul *wavewavewave* welcome to the town. It would be nice to think our esteemed Moderator is inclined to rebalance the odds for us a bit with his blue mist. Looking forward to you getting caught up and in the game.

How many games have you played btw ?

 

[mostlycichlids]

I freakin assure you bob and I are not communicating. My vote for Zigman did not come out of nowhere - go back through the day, I had him as suspect during the day and even after that he made that wierd post about 2 mafia teams.

I must of missed that but I do see what you are talking about now...Still caughing up blue smog.*caugh* *caugh*

Oh yah and amidst all the smoke and sulphur hi paul *wavewavewave* welcome to the town. It would be nice to think our esteemed Moderator is inclined to rebalance the odds for us a bit with his blue mist. Looking forward to you getting caught up and in the game.

How many games have you played btw ?

I have played a handful, four or five.

 

[plantling]

UGH!! this sucks....

I am not liking that, plant.... out of all the votes on Zig, I think hers actually makes the best sense.... everyone else, I don't see any solid foundation. Does this make me think Kash is on a innocent side, no on your life... out of all last nights votes, I think I am most interested on the reasons from Coler and RB....

Going back and reviewing I do see Plant's actions as a bit disturbing. Here she votes for Zig her 2nd suspect because she thinks it is a foregone conclusion that Kashta will be voted out.



Then Coler and RB place their votes on Zig.





Then 20min after RB's vote which ties the vote on Zig and Kashta (and after Kashta's vote to put Zig over the top she tries to switch her vote. Why? She wants both to be voted out but then tries to switch at the last minute. Not sure what to think but Plants explanation is in order IMO. As is one from RB and Coler still.

Well that's it for tonight. I'll check things out tomorrow.

As I stated when I voted for Zigman, Kashta was my 1st suspect but since there were already so many votes on her I went with my 2nd suspect and had already stated my concerns on him. When the votes piled on Zig I felt like RB and Coler were playing games with the town and didn't want a part of it, especially if both candidates were Mucs. But when Kashta made the last minute switch to save herself w/no apparent reason but to save herself, which IMO is not protown, I saw the last minute shuffling as a concerted effort to save a Mucs. I still do. That's why I tried to switch. That is why my vote is on Kashta. I am less sure of RB and Coler, though they both need to be looked at again. This time I am voting for who I think is most likely Mucs, train or no train.

 

[plantling]

Guys that vote sucked - I will absolutely explain myself. I'm not posting all the quotes of people seeking explanations but these represent the issues I think.



I actually accept that in a vacuum so to speak a person on a lynch is entitled to save themselves. It doesn't mean they are pro-town.

I am very suspicisious of plantlings 'last minute effort'. Plant said much earlier - I will move to Kashta if necessary. I am not for a moment saying I was entitled to sort of rely on that but look how long Kash and Zigman are tied for - an appreciable period of time, after rbishops vote (more on that later). Plantling only came on when Kashta went to vote Zigman.

Which means PLantling would have been happy for a tie between Kashta and Zigman ?

Or...didn't even want a tie but wanted a post-nightfall vote which wouldn't count and an opportunity to post 'crap'.

Basically, why didn't Plantling move on kashta when it tied ?





I freakin assure you bob and I are not communicating. My vote for Zigman did not come out of nowhere - go back through the day, I had him as suspect during the day and even after that he made that wierd post about 2 mafia teams.

I admit I was trying to put my vote where it would get a reaction and boy howdy didn't it. I also admit that I think I played myself in not voting for Kashta last night based on the available information - just didn't trust the company - they are all players who have screwed me beautifully before.

But the vote that came out of nowhere for Zigman was most certainly rbishops. And I really begin to suspect what plantling was up to at all.

At this point on Day 2 I am 100% perfectly happy to vote for Rbishop (and I said I would yesterday if anyone would join me), pretty happy to vote for Plantling or Kashta too.

And RIP Ice - here's hoping Blue Mist brings him back on the town side.

OK I'm at work - back later.

Your excuse yesterday for not voting Kashta was that you did not trust the voters on her. What's your excuse today? If u think RB and I were trying to save Kashta, why is Kashta last on your list of names? Makes more sense to me to go after what u r more sure of.

 

[Coler]

Your excuse yesterday for not voting Kashta was that you did not trust the voters on her. What's your excuse today? If u think RB and I were trying to save Kashta, why is Kashta last on your list of names? Makes more sense to me to go after what u r more sure of.

a) and you know of my thoughts on the voting and the general game because of my own posting throughout day 1.
b) I named three people who I'd be happy to vote for and re-affirmed my strong belief that Rbishop is not on the town side. Are you really trying to make something out of this ? Would you consider yourself less under suspicion if I had put you last in that post ? I didn't purport to distinguish between yourself and Kashta as regards suspicion.

Equally I'll be re-reading the thread today for more suspects because there is no doubt potential for Mucs to dive under cover following last nightfall and play a very quiet game today. I see a complete lack of sharing of suspects openly in a townhall sense in this game and it is definitely hurting the town - especially in a game with potential for what are effectively turns.