Mafia #51 - Mafia Citizens - The Play

Dawg I think the problem came from this part:

The other PR's are helped by the fact that they know Kashta is not on their team and must be working for the other side. My guess would be that if Kashta is a wg or don then one of the first people to vote her would be mucs. If it turns up the other way then one of the latter to vote for her is probably mucs. Either way something will be learned and hopefully the lynch will benifit the town.

For some reason I didn't register that you presented both scenarios...your response to Z makes sense now. Sorry for the confusion!
 
So either you were baiting TRS into admitting he got a PM or you yourself got one and forgot that the citizens did not. However, the last sentence really speaks to the last situation as you really are saying that all we know is the role we got from JL. Except not everyone got a PM.

Nah, jpappy.. it wasn't either one. That was more me taking a shot at TRS because a lynch vote in the first post of an opening game is just someone being idiotic. To say I was baiting TRS for doing that might be an accurate way to describe it. It was a jab at him for being annoying, but that's all it amounted to.

Secondly, I did not make the connection between that post and you posting before the game started. Ice said it first in post #96. I posted based solely on what you said to TRS. Don't try to twist things against me here...

This isn't correct, jpappy. You have the two reversed. It was you who said it first (see post #86), not Ice. Then Ice picked up on your suggestion in response and he used that train of thought to vote me out (see post #96).

It did begin with you... (see below).


Post #86

My guess is that kashta is a PR as she forgot that not everyone got a PM from JL with their role. Doesn't help much but I'm thinking for now that it puts her towards the "not a citizen" side.

Post #96

I was thinking that last night in bed and was going to be what I posted this AM.
She got her PM saw the game thread and over reacted by posting before JL told us not everyone would get a PM. Well if at that point she hadn't received a PM she wouldn't have posted as she'd be waiting to see what team she was on.

I vote to lynch Kash.


Unless I see something to convince me she is a WG and not a Mucs.
 
Kashta you are putting word into my mouth. I ONLY said that you forgot that not all of us got PMs therefore you are likely a PR based on you telling TRS that he should only know what he got in that PM. Ice then said that it then made sense that you posted early. I DID NOT make that connection, Ice did. So you saying that I somehow made a big deal about you posting before the game started is a complete lie.
 
Leaving aside the rest of the quote which stands alone and is pretty unobjectionable in large part...man...plant...the bit in bold...what ??

If you were willing to live with a tie...as you felt both Zigman and Kash could be Mucs...this was no reason to even try and jump at the last minute from Zigman to Kashta...I mean, willing to live with a tie means you don't care which go as long as one goes.

Now...I am going by JL's post number 179, which has you first on Zigman with your vote post number 176. There is objective room to consider that you did not fancy being the first vote on Zigman especially as you said you would move to Kashta if needed in that post (this doesn't go well with you supposedly being happy with a tie at all...this post 179 says you pretty strongly preferred kashta to Zig). If you did then the minute it tied which I think was rbishops vote and was some period of time before nightfall (15 or 20 minutes ?) was the time to shift to Kashta.

Finally I never said you got me and two others to switch votes to Zigman - that's a complete distortion. What I said was that your late vote could have been a deliberate stunt of a thing - like say if you knew that Zigman was coming up innocent and wanted to look like you were trying to get off him and get on Kashta but failed. That analysis if accurate would put you on a team with Kashta of course.

In that spirit your post is very confusing to me Plant, or confused, for the reasons I put out above.
What is so confusing? I would have left it at a tie as I thought they could both be Mucs. But it did not stay a tie, did it? Kash threw a last minute vote to save herself. Why does that not look Mucsy to anyone else? That is when I switched but it was too late. How can I stage a tie so I can switch votes? If Kash and I were on the same team wouldn't I want to point fingers at others and accuse them of absurd plots? That's what I feel u r doing.
 
tRS, how can you go from starting your statement of "we got to get rid of Coler or RB" to voting to take out Kash? Also, you say after tonight, Kash seems even more to scream out scum (which is mucs this game), what would make you say that, I am interested in your reasoning.


Plant, gotta tell you, this explanation looks nutty.... do you honestly think that if you were in the same position, you would do something different, whether mucs or townie? I don't think so... the bottom line is you made a last ditch effort at the worst time possible and lost to the bala clock..... and that makes you look way more suspicious. What you are saying here is you were trying to in a last ditch effort, to change the result of the vote... why vote one way earlier if you were so sure of kash being mucs?

I have to agree and I have already asked the same question...plant you seem to be dodging the question and giving us a real explanation.

I didn't vote for Kashta because I didn't see her early "slips" as indicative that she was a Rebel. They may mean she got a PM, but there are many Pro-town roles that got PMs. I certainly think if she got a PM that makes her a person of interest but at this time I am not picking up the PR vibe I tend to get (although I usually get the sides wrong, hehe). I did not vote Zig because I didn't see Zig as a strong suspect and I was not online when all the last minute business went down, I can't say what I would have done if I was here then to watch it happen live.

This entire post makes abolutely zero sense. Both Coler and Rb are more than experienced enough to not be so direct in addressing each other if they were on the same team, unless they are pulling some of that Princess Bride, the wine in front of me business, but that never works out well. Also, to accuse them of cheating takes some big stones... Welcome officially to "The List(TM)" Offer not valid in Mexico or Puerto Rico.

Sure it looks like a save for Kashta, but why throw it all out there on Day 1? Even if Kashta was the Don or Rebel (as it could be a Pro or Anti Town save) that would be a hugely noob mistake to expose three PRs so early.

Ha, here we go again with the Rb and Coler communicating business. I just don't think they would be so silly, maybe I'm having the wool pulled over my eyes, and I know Rb plays it loose, but come on. Also, nice swipe at me for your first post, do you really think I'm Mucus (or whatever the kids are calling Rebels these days, or are you just being arguementative?

The first bolded part is good, that is a reasonable reason to want to swap, when people jump votes so soon before Nightfall it makes my skin crawl as well. The second part however is silly, if Kashta is a Pro-Town player, it is very Pro-Town to save herself when she does not know the role of the other person up for Lynching. As I said last night, regardless of role, people will save thereselves given the chance, I don't view that as Pro or Anti-Town.


Ok caught up I believe, my Short List is Plantling, Red, Maverick, and CJ (The last two being because they are mighty quiet) These aren't in an order really but Plant and Red are certainly more strongly based than Mav or CJ.

To get a vote out there: I vote to lynch Red (TRS)
A lot of good reasoning and a good list IMO. Oh and BTW I was really just being arguemenative!

what are you calling me out for? I have yet to hear any thoughts from TRS in regards to my questions for him for the post quoted below... as much as plant hasn't really responded to anyone's inquiries on her either... did she throw a claim and vote out just so she could keep low and out of the game yet to avoid UDing?




So, you go through these lengths to try and pinpoint people which would make it appear as if you are helping the town, trying to kick in bushes, that sort of thing but you also do the town a disjustice by not answering any of the confusion you are spitting out in the name of "reasons for voting". So, how will you word your next post?
I have been asking the same questions...definately on my list of suspects at this point.

Leaving aside the rest of the quote which stands alone and is pretty unobjectionable in large part...man...plant...the bit in bold...what ??

If you were willing to live with a tie...as you felt both Zigman and Kash could be Mucs...this was no reason to even try and jump at the last minute from Zigman to Kashta...I mean, willing to live with a tie means you don't care which go as long as one goes.

Now...I am going by JL's post number 179, which has you first on Zigman with your vote post number 176. There is objective room to consider that you did not fancy being the first vote on Zigman especially as you said you would move to Kashta if needed in that post (this doesn't go well with you supposedly being happy with a tie at all...this post 179 says you pretty strongly preferred kashta to Zig). If you did then the minute it tied which I think was rbishops vote and was some period of time before nightfall (15 or 20 minutes ?) was the time to shift to Kashta.

Finally I never said you got me and two others to switch votes to Zigman - that's a complete distortion. What I said was that your late vote could have been a deliberate stunt of a thing - like say if you knew that Zigman was coming up innocent and wanted to look like you were trying to get off him and get on Kashta but failed. That analysis if accurate would put you on a team with Kashta of course.

In that spirit your post is very confusing to me Plant, or confused, for the reasons I put out above.
I am not really going off much from day one, read through the posts but I really was not here to play day one out....Whith what I have read from day two and refrencing to day one I have to agree with cooler on this one plant, seems like a scum move, last minute switch to me and I have thought that sense I came into the game.

With what I have seen so far my top suspects at this point are plant and TRS. Plant seems to be very quiet sense last night and is avoiding answering the same questions everyone has been asking him...Why be quiet and avoid or side step the heat plant? TRS is also being quiet and hasn't posted enough for anyone to notice him that much...a typical scum move (laying low) waiting for all the good to get killed off or die...also TRS I can't get over how you would say "we got to get rid of Coler or RB" and then flat out go after someone else. Makes your vote look like you were influenced to me...How do you see things now, suspects?

I may change my vote but for now I VOTE TO LYNCH THE RED SEVERUM
 
Plantling the point is that you wanting a tie means you wanted to see either Kash or Zig go...so in reality there was no good reason to switch because Zig was your close #2. I think the main question why did you think Kashta deserved to go instead of Zig? Was it only because of Rb and Coler?
 
What is so confusing? I would have left it at a tie as I thought they could both be Mucs. But it did not stay a tie, did it? Kash threw a last minute vote to save herself. Why does that not look Mucsy to anyone else? That is when I switched but it was too late. How can I stage a tie so I can switch votes? If Kash and I were on the same team wouldn't I want to point fingers at others and accuse them of absurd plots? That's what I feel u r doing.
I dk switching a vote to save yourself don't seem mucky at all to me. Would you try and save yourself if you were going out good or scum? Still don't make sense as coler said.
 
If I were in Kash's place I'd have voted for Zig too. In fact I am sure I have in the past. Self preservation Plant.
Last minute self preservation? To make sure others didn't have time to think out their votes? That doesn't sound fishy?

To the best of my memory I have not been in a position to where I voted to save myself. But if I ever were, unless I was sure the candidate I was voting off was a mucs I would have taken the lynch or the tie. Kashta made no indication that she ever suspected Zigman, not even at the time of her vote.
 
Plantling the point is that you wanting a tie means you wanted to see either Kash or Zig go...so in reality there was no good reason to switch because Zig was your close #2. I think the main question why did you think Kashta deserved to go instead of Zig? Was it only because of Rb and Coler?

I dk switching a vote to save yourself don't seem mucky at all to me. Would you try and save yourself if you were going out good or scum? Still don't make sense as coler said.
Like I have said it is the timing of her vote. It did not leave time for others to switch.
 
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