Mafia 52: Killer Comes A Courtin' (The Play)

jpappy789 said:
Noods, there is a difference between hiding and not being on the site at all.

TRS was last logged on at 12:53 pm CST on Friday. The game started at 6:15 PM that same day. There is no way that TRS got his PM then, unless I am missing something here. TRS does not know his role therefore there is no way to say for sure that he is a mafia hiding.

And I am curious as to why you are giving JL a pass. He is in the same situation, and actually knows more about the game than TRS. It makes more sense to vote JL because he should be posting. But same thing, JL was last on AC on Friday and wouldn't have a PM. If anyone should be questioned it is Dopehand who was online yesterday but stil hasn't posted. Yet you go after TRS?

I vote to lynch Noodles

Best I got so far.
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should be "JL was last on AC on Friday and wouldn't have seen a PM." Just for perfections sake...
 
Agassizii said:
hmmmm......Been gone all day and there is already 9 pages of posts to read. Time to review what I have missed.
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Interesting. Posted once about reading but nothing after that?
 
Coler said:
Oh yeah, and the non-participating people - who would be possible UD's under different rules - are far more likely innocent than mafia. Mafia play the game.

Oh yeah, and calling out the non-participating people, tagging votes on them etc, is a scum tell.
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I would be interested in seeing the avg number of posts per game for mafia/scum players compared to the avg for innocents. Also, the drop in posts per game for each player when comparing games when they are evil and innocent.

9 times out of 10 a scum player is a mid to low poster. You may get one outlier from a vet who is normally talkative but usually the others tend to blend in.

Take last game.

mav- middle
Kashta- middle
coler- very high post count
mc- middle

These players were rebels from the start. No doubt that if more players lasted the full game the scum with middle posts would have been lower in the ranking. So saying that all mafia "play the game" is not going to be true. And as Ice pointed out, this game play is different than the last chunk we have played.
 
jpappy789 said:
Noods, there is a difference between hiding and not being on the site at all.

TRS was last logged on at 12:53 pm CST on Friday. The game started at 6:15 PM that same day. There is no way that TRS got his PM then, unless I am missing something here. TRS does not know his role therefore there is no way to say for sure that he is a mafia hiding.

And I am curious as to why you are giving JL a pass. He is in the same situation, and actually knows more about the game than TRS. It makes more sense to vote JL because he should be posting. But same thing, JL was last on AC on Friday and wouldn't have a PM. If anyone should be questioned it is Dopehand who was online yesterday but stil hasn't posted. Yet you go after TRS?

I vote to lynch Noodles

Best I got so far.
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IceH2O said:
They only know if they've been to the site. Nothing points to that being the case except for as Jpap pointed out the Dopehead.
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I did not check to see if TRS had been on the sight at all, so was giving JL the benefit of the doubt. If you ahd mentioned it earlier I apparently missed it.
Very good point about Dopehand, altho a noob, has been on the site but not the game. could be nervous about a "baddie" role and laying low.

I need to do a little more thinking on this. I hate night one. I will be leaving for the pool in a while (waiting for the crowd to thin out- I hope) so in the meantime; I retract my vote for The Red Severum.

And thanks for the vote Jpap; would not be the same if I did not get a vote (or many!) from the get go! will answer other questions asked of me later. I need to go now.
 
Coler said:
Oh yeah, and calling out the non-participating people, tagging votes on them etc, is a scum tell.
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Explain?




I don't believe post count has anything much to do with one being innocent or Mafia...maybe late in the game but not early on. jpapp I think what Coler means by "mafia play the game" is sometimes they have to play both sides to make them look innocent. This would make them post more therefore have a higher post count. Like I said though people play different in different situations and roles....In the last game there were many players with low to mid post counts that were innocent...and many with similar post counts that were rebels.

Now that being said the ones with low post counts that have checked into the forum and the thread that haven't posted in a few pages that log in and don't post are suspicious.
 
LOL noodles you quoted my post about this in your post #91. so how could you not see that TRS had not been on when I said that in the same post you quoted? You even mentioned JL and TRS so there had to be some sort of connection...

And your welcome for the vote.
 
I am going to throw my vote in now...

I VOTE TO LYNCH DOPEHAND

He has not checked in, I am sure he knows the game has started, even if he does end up showing he likely won't be much for participation or much help. Sense I really have no suspects and not much to go on he gets my random vote for lack of participation.
 
IceH2O said:
I couldn't disagree more.

If we all sit back and vote no one then how do we track down mafia? Mafia don't need to vote which in turn doesn't leave a trail to follow. But letting non participants alone we also have no clues.

The only thing I do agree with above is the bolded statement. Except that I do have a genuine explanation.



I vote to lynch Coler




In this setup its a high probability that the mafia does just sit back and do nothing. Why do anything when there is no reason too? No lynches just means the game lasts longer because the only deaths are by hits. With no voting pattern they can't be tracked and it leaves the SK to guessing and pretty much forces them to place hits increasing the chance of hitting townies. Or the SK decides since they can't track mafia might as well help the mafia and take out 2 players per night. They have a better chance at hitting townies so again why should the mafia show themselves at all.

This setup lends itself to hiding as a covering thyself aspect.

I don't agree with the TRS vote by Noodles atm just bc most games have started the 1st of the month or soon after, not before so I'm not sure they even know the game has started.
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Ice...you don't need to be told to go back and read other games as you've played enough of them. The most straightforward mafia vote on day 1 is either one of a) a player who has made a howler and then defends themselves poorly or b) a non-participating player who isn't defending themselves anyway, and indeed who can be explained away on D2 by saying 'well they wern't playing anyway and wern't helping the town' etc etc.

In the absence of howlers...so far...settling on non-participating players for votes is a solid scum tell at this time in the game.

As regards whether the UD rule in this game is of assistance to the town or not - it is clearly of assistance as it will take that bit longer necessarily for the numbers to turn in the mafia's failure.

Your suggestion that the mafia are likely to sit back and do literally nothing might of course be correct. That is not entirely consistent with your voting me who is a) participating and b) not doing nothing but meh so be it.

Otherwise the way I see it, if you (ice) are for instance in the mafia then you are reasonably likely to go kill me early in the game anyway and if you're not mafia, then neither you or I are likely to be long for the game either because they will hit us both just as soon as they can :D
 
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