Mafia 52: Killer Comes A Courtin' (The Play)

Kash and Red.

Neither of your votes matter, going to make them count?

Rich you going to place a vote?

Placement could be interesting.

Think Agi will show and place one tonight?

Its basically 4-2 with 4 votes floating.
 
I retract my vote for Dopehand and vote to lynch Agass.

I don't wanna leave any way that Kash and Agass can come in last moment and tie it up. I still think that Dope is mafia. I do truly think it is Kash, AG, and Dope. I think that Dope is voting for Ag as a distance tech and because a loss of Ag won't hurt their team. He got out of voting for Kash this time around by voting for AG.
 
Well, unless there is a lot of late switches, it looks like Agass is a goner. He better be mafia! :swear: LOL

Will be interesting to see where Kashta's vote winds up. Haven't seen TRS lately...
 
Yes I'm changing my vote and I'm writing a post to go along with it...

The discussion I had with JL after the last nightfall showed me something that's finally made a difference in this for me. You all saw where I agreed to be lynched and asked the town to also take out either JL or Ice with the next lynching after that... JL told me that he could see the reasoning behind it but thought I'd gotten the math wrong and we couldn't afford to do it. I think JL was right btw, I hadn't actually worked out the math yet. But I still think we might be okay. I'm just not sure how many mafia there really are this time because the serial killer was expected to take a few hits against both sides not just innocents. But that's another question for us to find out, I guess.

I've thought a lot about John's reaction to what I did. He knew he was leaving and wouldn't be back and he had to make his final decision for this vote right then and there. He told me he wouldn't be back in time to change it and asked me if I was sure. I said yes. Then he thought it over and decided my plan wasn't going to work because we can't afford to lynch another innocent, like I was suggesting. Because of that... John decided to revoke his vote against me. He wasn't sure it would do any good and thought it would be risky in terms of numbers.. so he wouldn't do it. I thought we were sunk at the time. Then thinking about this afterward, I realized he'd just proved to me that he's not mafia.

This is the important part for me... the people on the mafia team already know my role. JL knew he was leaving that night and he couldn't switch his vote before nightfall. He had to real careful about that... he didn't have the luxury anymore of saying something one day and then doing the opposite a day later when it came time to vote.

If John was mafia he already had his vote on me with a probable majority of innocent townies already voting me (plus his mafia teammates) to guarantee that I would get lynched no matter what happened while he was gone. Then when John asked me if I was sure because it's a final vote he can't change later, I told him yes. John believed me because I'd just shown him I wasn't bluffing. (I figured that part out later btw.... If I was mafia, there's no way I'd be willing to go through with getting lynched by choice to voluntarily (1) cut down their number and (2) have my role revealed.... if I was innocent, I still wasn't bluffing or just pretending to say.. oh yea lynch me, go ahead... Because of the timing, we were both forced to make a final choice right then that we both knew neither of us could change later.) John believed me. He's not mafia and he doesn't want to lynch another innocent townie by mistake. He worked out the math further than I had and realized it was probably too risky to leave his vote on me... so he changed his mind.

Someone on the mafia team would not have done that in John's position because he would already know my role without any uncertainty and he already knew I was a sure bet to get lynched anyway. It was John's reluctance to lynch me or leave his vote on me that proved to me that he's not mafia. John took his vote off me and voted against Dopehand instead he decided must be his best suspect. Since I trust John to be a citizen (not mafia)... I also trust his skill level in the game and in his judgement. So I'm going to add my vote to his and ask everyone else in the game to do the same thing.

I retract my vote on Kashta and I vote to lynch Dopehand.

Seeing how others reacted to what went on, I also believe Rich is on the town side (we already know about Noodles). Rich wasn't certain either... he's had me listed at times as a suspect, but he questioned that as well - as did Noodles. Rich wouldn't have done that either if he was on the mafia team.
 
Yes I'm changing my vote and I'm writing a post to go along with it...

The discussion I had with JL after the last nightfall showed me something that's finally made a difference in this for me. You all saw where I agreed to be lynched and asked the town to also take out either JL or Ice with the next lynching after that... JL told me that he could see the reasoning behind it but thought I'd gotten the math wrong and we couldn't afford to do it. I think JL was right btw, I hadn't actually worked out the math yet. But I still think we might be okay. I'm just not sure how many mafia there really are this time because the serial killer was expected to take a few hits against both sides not just innocents. But that's another question for us to find out, I guess.

I've thought a lot about John's reaction to what I did. He knew he was leaving and wouldn't be back and he had to make his final decision for this vote right then and there. He told me he wouldn't be back in time to change it and asked me if I was sure. I said yes. Then he thought it over and decided my plan wasn't going to work because we can't afford to lynch another innocent, like I was suggesting. Because of that... John decided to revoke his vote against me. He wasn't sure it would do any good and thought it would be risky in terms of numbers.. so he wouldn't do it. I thought we were sunk at the time. Then thinking about this afterward, I realized he'd just proved to me that he's not mafia.

This is the important part for me... the people on the mafia team already know my role. JL knew he was leaving that night and he couldn't switch his vote before nightfall. He had to real careful about that... he didn't have the luxury anymore of saying something one day and then doing the opposite a day later when it came time to vote.

If John was mafia he already had his vote on me with a probable majority of innocent townies already voting me (plus his mafia teammates) to guarantee that I would get lynched no matter what happened while he was gone. Then when John asked me if I was sure because it's a final vote he can't change later, I told him yes. John believed me because I'd just shown him I wasn't bluffing. (I figured that part out later btw.... If I was mafia, there's no way I'd be willing to go through with getting lynched by choice to voluntarily (1) cut down their number and (2) have my role revealed.... if I was innocent, I still wasn't bluffing or just pretending to say.. oh yea lynch me, go ahead... Because of the timing, we were both forced to make a final choice right then that we both knew neither of us could change later.) John believed me. He's not mafia and he doesn't want to lynch another innocent townie by mistake. He worked out the math further than I had and realized it was probably too risky to leave his vote on me... so he changed his mind.

Someone on the mafia team would not have done that in John's position because he would already know my role without any uncertainty and he already knew I was a sure bet to get lynched anyway. It was John's reluctance to lynch me or leave his vote on me that proved to me that he's not mafia. John took his vote off me and voted against Dopehand instead he decided must be his best suspect. Since I trust John to be a citizen (not mafia)... I also trust his skill level in the game and in his judgement. So I'm going to add my vote to his and ask everyone else in the game to do the same thing.

I retract my vote on Kashta and I vote to lynch Dopehand.

Seeing how others reacted to what went on, I also believe Rich is on the town side (we already know about Noodles). Rich wasn't certain either... he's had me listed at times as a suspect, but he questioned that as well - as did Noodles. Rich wouldn't have done that either if he was on the mafia team.

Kashta, I agree with you that John is innocent. (That may clear you in my mind)....However if John were here right now, would he still be on Dope? We do not know that. Also, just because we believe that John is innocnet, that does not automatically make Ice mafia. it is possible that they both are innocent this round. And I am sure the mafia is sitting back and having a good laugh as we pick eachother off. JM has also been proven innocent and he placed his vote on Agass. I would not be surprised at all if both Dope and Agass were mafia, however we need to take them out one at a time. right now, it looks like Agass takes the fall. I am sure there may be a select few that would move to Dope but we do not need to wind up with a dice roll again....JMO
 
Kashta, I agree with you that John is innocent. (That may clear you in my mind)....However if John were here right now, would he still be on Dope? We do not know that. Also, just because we believe that John is innocnet, that does not automatically make Ice mafia. it is possible that they both are innocent this round. And I am sure the mafia is sitting back and having a good laugh as we pick eachother off. JM has also been proven innocent and he placed his vote on Agass. I would not be surprised at all if both Dope and Agass were mafia, however we need to take them out one at a time. right now, it looks like Agass takes the fall. I am sure there may be a select few that would move to Dope but we do not need to wind up with a dice roll again....JMO

You guys have been posting a lot. I've skimmed back a few pages to where I left off before. I'll have to go back through it all again. Maybe it doesn't matter either way between Dope and Agass. I think they're both mafia myself. My only problem with this is I'm inclined to believe JL made his choice one way before he left and Ice has been favoring the other. I'm inclined to trust JL now where I didn't before, despite the fact that I agreed with him a lot on different things. As it stands now, I still don't believe Ice is working for the town side.

I forgot to add that I also think Luvbugz is innocent. If Fire (who we know was mafia) was saving Luv (as mafia teammate), then Fire wouldn't have told us so when she voted.

Luv's game play also seems disconnected in this game. When Luv was innocent in Game 50, she seemed aggressive, somewhat confused, and she got defensive. As communicating mafia in Game 51, Luv seemed better focused, more reserved, and she didn't get defensive in that game at all.
 
where is everyone? An hour til nightfall and this is it? wow............
 
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