Mafia #53.5 Rock the Vote

i hate to do this but... i agree with you on the Wycco thing noods.
 
I'm no expert at this game- in fact I'm a complete beginner- so I don't know the tactic the mafia would perform... I'd think, were I mafia, the tactic that I would employe would be that you take out someone who no-one suspects because... they're not going to get lynched anyway...

You wouldn't hit Rocker, LuvBugs, Zaffy, Jpap, etc... (were they innocent) because they've all attracted suspicion and have a good chance to be lynched anyway. ZSand was attracting no suspicion.


Also if you hit someone is finger pointing at you- does that not make you seem more suspicious. If ZSand was finger pointing at say theoretically LuvBugs and LuvBugs were the Don... she'd almost be certainly confirming herself as guilty.

... just a theory.

Also, since there is no hugely strong leads yet- just a bunch of suspicions- there IS no obvious target and there is no consensus over who is guilty- and no "leaders" of the innocents yet.

Wyyco, that first idea is a good call. It's very true. In past games, those few I got to play a mafia, I would do that and try to misdirect the townies as well. It rarely worked cause I'm a crummy bad guy, but oh well.

It still begs the question of why not Ice or even DD? No one was picking on them...

BTW: There are probably about 8 or so mafia scum. I haven't seen anything from JL about numbers. The usual ratio for a 'standard game' is about 25% mafia... more or less depending on how good the group is... less if the innocents aren't any good, more if they are good... and we've got a good group here.
 
I VOTE TO LYNCH JPAP....Sorry, the whole Kash, Luv thing just didn't look good to me as I was trying to read through the game. I can't jump on the Luv train, it is just moving WAY to fast for me. How many times has this happened in this game, two people have it out huge on day one, stand out like crazy and everyone jumps on them, only to lynch one the first night and the other the second...in the end finding they are both innocent.

This vote of is as always subject to change at any point for any reason.

It's been a LOOOOOOONG time since I have been able to play, and as in the last few I have been in, I wont be here much.

MISSED YA'LL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously G? I know its been a while since you played but you should still remember to post reasons for your vote...

G: Hey! I miss your rapidly changing avatars.

Jpap: I've said what I have said about this several times already. You're continual defense of yourself is getting desperate sounding. I'm patiently waiting for new evidence to turn up... nothing so far has led me to change my current position.

It's really kind of funny. You're not voting me and I'm not voting you and yet you keep bringing this up. If my consclusions don't match yours, that's OK. We'll see what happens when the lynch goes through.

Now for something that no one has asked. Kash was the doc, now why did the mafia hit Zsand?

In the past (all I have to go on), the mafia never hit someone who was 'onto' them in the first few days. They didn't want to be picked up because they killed the one person voting for them. Zsand is a good player, but I would think that Ice would be a more likely target if innocent. He's probably the best (along with Mad and JL).

So why hit Z?

I keep bringing it up because you fail to answer my questions. You continue to state how defensive or protective I am without one shred of evidence other than that one post of mine which I've already shown completely refutes what you are saying. I've asked you a few questions out front now but you have ignored them and play them off as unimportant. I keep bringing it up because you want this to go away...

I retract my vote on rocker and vote to lynch Ogre

I'm not desperate, I'm actually quite amused that you are making these ridiculous assumptions without anything behind them. I have no problem being in the spotlight when it's for trivial reasons.


i think ogre's one to something here. jpap is sounding very desperate to distance himself from Luv as much as he can, especially after he saw that she wasnt going down the best road after she was almost lynched last night. i am seeing his actions begin to parallel hers. its a stretch, and i am not say that because they are acting similar that they must both be mafia, but it is something to be considered.

Oh, my, gosh....I want to take a poll here...how many people seriously think I would try to protect a teammate day 1 or even at all? (not an actual question) Come on, I'm a better player than that.
 
Z was probably hit because he is a pretty good player that hadn't done much. That's how the mafia hits have gone IME.

I've always wanted to keep DD around because her playing style draws suspicion in most every game.

The debate why Ice isn't hit was brought up in 52...the reason we didn't hit him that game was because we figured his aggressiveness at times and the willingness of the town to sort of "follow his lead" would play to our advantage. It actually worked out to :grinyes:
 
Do we know how many Mafioso there are? Or does only the narrator know that?

At this early stage if I had to draw up a list of Mafia- I'd say 4 or 5 out of:
Zaffy, JPap, LuvBugs, possibly Plant, possibly Rich, possibly noodles.

It may be entirely coincidental but they seem to be on a similar wavelength... I do think odds are good that Zaffy, JPap and LuvBugs are all Mafia though.

How are you so sure that 4 out of 5 of your 6 choices are Mafia?

You're supposed to offer evidence to your claims, unless you're just taking orders of course.
 
im voting for Zaffy because i think she is mafia, she just seems scummy to me. and so does JPAP for defending her so much!

so for now my list is

Zaffy
Jpap
luvbugz

I'm a boy.
 
So the only reason you have to vote for me is... what again. I don't want it to go away. I prefer it to stay active and in everyone's mind for later.

I don't think I actually said you defended Luv. What I said was "I think Jpap is trying to calm everyone down before his teammate gets killed" or something very close to that (post 71).

OK, I've reread your post #52, Jpap. Yes, you did say that Luv's post was kinda scummy. Did you 'Defend' Luv? No, but then I never said you did (at least not immediately). Do I FEEL that you were trying to calm the rush on Luv? Yes.

Apparently, you are one of the few that does not feel Luvbugz is mafia.

Also, ice has not been playing like he has in previous games (time?, I don't know), but it kinda throws your theory out of the water, Jpap.

If Luv is not mafia, then I look to ice as mafia. If Luv is mafia, then I look to Jpap. I'm not sure how I feel about Rocker... I still think that MC could be mafia too.

BTW Jpap, I love your "comon, I'm a better player than that" line. Classic. Of course, comon, would I push this hard if I was mafia?
 
How are you so sure that 4 out of 5 of your 6 choices are Mafia?

You're supposed to offer evidence to your claims, unless you're just taking orders of course.


Early on I noticed that JPap seemed to be defending you- the whole you vs Rocker thing seemed very suspicious- with JPap, and then several others joining in to try and shift the blame onto Rocker seemed to be a group effort.

There also seemed to be an effort later on when it turned into a Kashta Vs Luv affair to protect Luvbugz... Kashta turned out to be innocent. Jpap was seeming to side with Bugz and yourself... add that to the suspicons I already had about you made me think that the 3 of you were in on it together.

The rest of the people I have mentioned seemed to also at one point or another seem to be putting doubt on the above three's involvement in the mafia.

They could be innocents who truly believe that after following that path or reason... OR they could be mafia trying to protect you. That's why I say "4 or 5" of the following. I don't know which are and which arn't.

There is a good chance either yourself or Luvbugz will be lynched... in which case we'll know your mafia ties or innocence- IF one of you get lynched and turn out to be innocent that would make it seem very strongly like I myself would be a suspect for trying to group "innocents" together.

I'm willing to put myself on the line for that. I doubt a mafia member would do the same so strongly if they knew one were innocent.

Noodles is very clever- she always says "so and so" may be guilty, refering but then goes ahead and votes for someone else- as if she's trying to seem uncertain... yet she always ends up on the Zaffy/LuvBugs side of any discussion.

If I get taken out on a hit one night- and Zaffy or LuvBugz turns out to be mafia- I suggest that that be taken into account. ;)

I am a newbie at this- but that doesn't mean I'm not paying attention! ;) Nor does it mean I'm any good- I could be missing the plot completely and sticking my foot in my mouth big time!
 
im voting for Zaffy because i think she is mafia, she just seems scummy to me. and so does JPAP for defending her so much!

so for now my list is

Zaffy
Jpap
luvbugz

I vote to lynch Rocker!

Zaffy is a guy...not a girl! Get your facts straight. Trying to confuse people with this? Hmmmmmm! Maybe Rocker is deflecting attention from him/herself by "accidentally" calling Zaffy a girl. Hmmmmmm!
 
I vote to lynch Rocker!

Zaffy is a guy...not a girl! Get your facts straight. Trying to confuse people with this? Hmmmmmm! Maybe Rocker is deflecting attention from him/herself by "accidentally" calling Zaffy a girl. Hmmmmmm!
um, ok? what are you real reasons?
 
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