Mafia #53.5 Rock the Vote

I have to agree here. Anyone that claims they can't see a case for Luv is either mafia protecting mafia or mafia knowing Luv is innocent and trying to get on her good side or making it look like they wouldn't lynch an innocent player. Which brings me to my next pulled quote.



I like that Knew was underlined. You couldn't KNOW Kash was innocent unless you knew she wasn't on your team.



That line was tried last game, was wrong then and is wrong now. Kash tried pulling it last game, I got her lynched,she was innocent. I haven't gotten any feeling you are mafia so I'm going to let it slide.



I think Noodles posting next automatically doubles her vote.


For now because I agree with Dawg that this shouldn't be a 1 man race

I retract my vote on Luv and vote to lynch Noodles

Still have Luv as mafia but less so then the split second after night fall reaction. Others have posted things that make me go hmmm.

Jpap hasn't been really playing his normal indepth game I'm used to so I could see him being mafia.

Zaffy, falls under the same umbrella as Noodles. He didn't say knew but to be able to sufficiently say such and such is innocent this early in the game is bothersome. If a vote is needed on Zaffy I have no problem switching.

Lady G is another I'm watching, not because she just appeared while hiding though it would be a good mafia plan to lay low the 1st night but because she made the claim that the Luv/Kash thing didn't look right or something to that effect (didn't pull the quote so its not a verbatim quote).


good grief! I said "I knew", as in "I knew it!", gut instinct kind of thing. but feel free to vote away.....I dont really have enough time to worry about right now and there is plenty of time until nightfall....
 
The one person I think is least likely to be Mafia is Ogre... oh, and Kashta! ;)

This frightens me more than anything else so far in the game.


I agree wholeheartedly.

I'm going to cut the grass and think some more.As soon as I hit enter on my vote it didn't feel right. My gut keeps saying I should be voting Luv but my head says not to make it a 1 man race. But what does my head know.

Wycco jumped up the leaderboard with his post.

My gut feeling is strong enough that I'll consider anyone protecting Luv as mafia at this point.

I know my post with the vote says Luv has fallen down the ladder but that was trying to think logically. So many people piling on it didn't look right. But like I said,I'd rather go with gut.

Just in case I chop my foot off while cutting grass and don't get to change my vote

I retract my vote on Noodles and vote to lynch Luv

Not saying Noodles is innocent. It could be mafia throwing mafia under the bus. The word KNEW is still haunting me.
 
Wycco jumped up the leaderboard with his post.

I wondered if that comment would upset people- almost didn't make it. For the record I also think you're innocent Ice! ;) Mainly because a lot of what you say coincides with what I've been saying...



My suspicions:

Very likely Mafia:
JPap, Zaffy

Likely Mafia:
LB

Possibly Mafia:
Noodles, Plantling, Rich, Rocker

Unlikely Mafia:
FireDance, Ice, Ogre


Everyone else I'm unsure of at this point.
 
So the only reason you have to vote for me is... what again. I don't want it to go away. I prefer it to stay active and in everyone's mind for later.

I don't think I actually said you defended Luv. What I said was "I think Jpap is trying to calm everyone down before his teammate gets killed" or something very close to that (post 71).

OK, I've reread your post #52, Jpap. Yes, you did say that Luv's post was kinda scummy. Did you 'Defend' Luv? No, but then I never said you did (at least not immediately). Do I FEEL that you were trying to calm the rush on Luv? Yes.

Apparently, you are one of the few that does not feel Luvbugz is mafia.

Also, ice has not been playing like he has in previous games (time?, I don't know), but it kinda throws your theory out of the water, Jpap.

If Luv is not mafia, then I look to ice as mafia. If Luv is mafia, then I look to Jpap. I'm not sure how I feel about Rocker... I still think that MC could be mafia too.

BTW Jpap, I love your "comon, I'm a better player than that" line. Classic. Of course, comon, would I push this hard if I was mafia?

I am voting you because you are consistently trying to connect me and Luv, which is completely false. You have ignored some of my questions and twisted what I have said.

Anyways...

Let me get this straight...

1) You are saying that "calming everyone down before a teammate gets killed" is not defending a teammate...how is that not exactly the same thing? You think that somehow I came to her aid, no matter how you want to say it. I never did such a thing as I have said countless times.

2) You say I don't think Luv is mafia- WRONG! I put her on my suspect list and have said nothing to indicate that it has changed. Just because I don't feel like running with the train and would rather vote for my top suspects does not mean I don't think she is mafia.


Early on I noticed that JPap seemed to be defending you- the whole you vs Rocker thing seemed very suspicious- with JPap, and then several others joining in to try and shift the blame onto Rocker seemed to be a group effort.

There also seemed to be an effort later on when it turned into a Kashta Vs Luv affair to protect Luvbugz... Kashta turned out to be innocent. Jpap was seeming to side with Bugz and yourself... add that to the suspicons I already had about you made me think that the 3 of you were in on it together.

The rest of the people I have mentioned seemed to also at one point or another seem to be putting doubt on the above three's involvement in the mafia.

They could be innocents who truly believe that after following that path or reason... OR they could be mafia trying to protect you. That's why I say "4 or 5" of the following. I don't know which are and which arn't.

There is a good chance either yourself or Luvbugz will be lynched... in which case we'll know your mafia ties or innocence- IF one of you get lynched and turn out to be innocent that would make it seem very strongly like I myself would be a suspect for trying to group "innocents" together.

I'm willing to put myself on the line for that. I doubt a mafia member would do the same so strongly if they knew one were innocent.

Noodles is very clever- she always says "so and so" may be guilty, refering but then goes ahead and votes for someone else- as if she's trying to seem uncertain... yet she always ends up on the Zaffy/LuvBugs side of any discussion.

If I get taken out on a hit one night- and Zaffy or LuvBugz turns out to be mafia- I suggest that that be taken into account. ;)

I am a newbie at this- but that doesn't mean I'm not paying attention! ;) Nor does it mean I'm any good- I could be missing the plot completely and sticking my foot in my mouth big time!

Sheesh...I guess somehow I am defending Zaffy too? Where? Show me the posts?

I never once tried to shift the blame away from Zaffy. First of all, there was absolutely no blame. None of the votes on Zaffy had reasons behind them and the were so early that there was no reason for any of us supposed "teammates" to be worried about it. Second of all, I called out rocker on his vote. It had absolutely nothing to do with Zaffy or Luv for that matter...by the way where did you get that I was "seeming to side with Bugz"?

There is a good chance either yourself or Luvbugz will be lynched... in which case we'll know your mafia ties or innocence- IF one of you get lynched and turn out to be innocent that would make it seem very strongly like I myself would be a suspect for trying to group "innocents" together.

I'm willing to put myself on the line for that. I doubt a mafia member would do the same so strongly if they knew one were innocent.

I wanted to pull this part of the post so I could comment on it separately.

So you are claiming to be innocent no matter what the outcomes are. You can't possibly be mafia because they wouldn't try to group innocents together??? Yeah right...

Welcome to my list Wycco.


My records show the votes as follows:

Jpap - 1
Zaffy - 3
Rocker - 2
Luvbugz- 7 (8 if I get to take TRS' vote)
TRS - 1
Ice - 1

I retracted from rocker and voted ogre, noods.

I vote to lynch Jpappy.

TRS's vote is mine, right?

Had a great time with friends last night, my head is recovering and I will read thoroughly and update my vote when I get a better handle on the day.

Huh?

I have to agree here. Anyone that claims they can't see a case for Luv is either mafia protecting mafia or mafia knowing Luv is innocent and trying to get on her good side or making it look like they wouldn't lynch an innocent player. Which brings me to my next pulled quote.



I like that Knew was underlined. You couldn't KNOW Kash was innocent unless you knew she wasn't on your team.



That line was tried last game, was wrong then and is wrong now. Kash tried pulling it last game, I got her lynched,she was innocent. I haven't gotten any feeling you are mafia so I'm going to let it slide.



I think Noodles posting next automatically doubles her vote.


For now because I agree with Dawg that this shouldn't be a 1 man race

I retract my vote on Luv and vote to lynch Noodles

Still have Luv as mafia but less so then the split second after night fall reaction. Others have posted things that make me go hmmm.

Jpap hasn't been really playing his normal indepth game I'm used to so I could see him being mafia.

Zaffy, falls under the same umbrella as Noodles. He didn't say knew but to be able to sufficiently say such and such is innocent this early in the game is bothersome. If a vote is needed on Zaffy I have no problem switching.

Lady G is another I'm watching, not because she just appeared while hiding though it would be a good mafia plan to lay low the 1st night but because she made the claim that the Luv/Kash thing didn't look right or something to that effect (didn't pull the quote so its not a verbatim quote).

Ok...describe my "normal in depth game"
 
I agree wholeheartedly.

I'm going to cut the grass and think some more.As soon as I hit enter on my vote it didn't feel right. My gut keeps saying I should be voting Luv but my head says not to make it a 1 man race. But what does my head know.

Wycco jumped up the leaderboard with his post.

My gut feeling is strong enough that I'll consider anyone protecting Luv as mafia at this point.

I know my post with the vote says Luv has fallen down the ladder but that was trying to think logically. So many people piling on it didn't look right. But like I said,I'd rather go with gut.

Just in case I chop my foot off while cutting grass and don't get to change my vote

I retract my vote on Noodles and vote to lynch Luv

Not saying Noodles is innocent. It could be mafia throwing mafia under the bus. The word KNEW is still haunting me.
LMAO. Plz don't cut your foot off. But ya, Noods posts have been strange to me too. It's been awhile since I've played but she just doesn't seem as into bushkicking as I remember. And her voting Luv could just be that they have given up Luv as a lost cause.

And I'm still not sure what to think of Wycco. They have made some pretty good observations for a proclaimed novice. However given that it's still early in the game I don't see how they can label ayone least likely to be Mafia, especially Ogre. (No offense, Ogre!)
 
I vote to lynch Jpappy.

TRS's vote is mine, right?

Yes.

Anyone could have voted again to scoop it up or just retracted and revoted. I am pretty sure that is what happened the first day.
 
And I'm still not sure what to think of Wycco.

Most people think I'm a hot sexy beast. My modesty makes me point out that they're probably mistaken.

However given that it's still early in the game I don't see how they can label ayone least likely to be Mafia, especially Ogre. (No offense, Ogre!)

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The people whom I deem to be mafia point fingers at him. He has pointed fingers at others whom I consider to be mafia.

Take JPap for example- the only person on his list who most people consider likely mafia material is LuvBugz (who is as good as gone already). The fact that he has Ogre who isn't really a serious vote to be lynched as a major contender makes me suspect he, and maybe even Rocker are innocent.

Perhaps it was stupid for me to say that Ogre was likely innocent- but only because it drew attention to myself... and away from the serious discussion of who is mafia.
 
Zaffy, perhaps you didn't see my posts asking you about this? Once DD called you out on your saying several ppl also questioned the votes on you, did you go back and check if it was just Jpap and myself? I would have if I were u. And I did go back just b/c I too thought there were more than just us two. And I found the post where Luvbugz also mentioned the votes on you. When you answered DD you used rum as an excuse but did not mention that Luv also commented on the votes. So I ask again, Zaffy, is there a reason why you don't want to be associated w/Luv?


I'm not so sure, Wycco. Mafia have and will vote their own, especially if it's deemed their own is going down.

I didn't go back to check, because you did. Also, I thought Dangerdoll's accusation was ridiculous. FD pointed out that she twists people words in attempts to make others look bad, which she's done again. See below. To my knowledge, Luvbugz and I are not on the same faction, so that's a reason that I don't want to be associated with her. I think your mind is made up at this point though and no words or logic can change that.


OMG what a bad night!! Losing the doctor is a huge blow! and then Z... sheesh!

I vote to lynch Luv.... Luv, you are completely suspicious with the whole Kash exchange and then to post that jibberish about having to walk away from the computer because you were taking things "personal"? Come on, that is the oldest mafia trick in the book to try and gain sympathy. And it looks like you even have Zaffy trying to justify your feelings. I for one am not buying it. You have been in enough games and were much harder hit in previous games than this. Ah but you aren't as seasoned as some people I guess and thought this might be a good tactic... maybe you should take time off to read up on previous games to really get some feathers in the old hat.

So my next suspects are Paps for seeming to be protective and then Zaff for trying to justify Bugz' feelings.... we get the post Zaff.... no worries.

My comments were inside of "g/o" tags which I thought meant they should be taken as non-pertaining to the game. If someone is honestly having bad feelings because of a game then I think they need to evaluate that and do what is necessary to fix the situation. This is my first game on this board, so I don't know Luvbugz history or personality with mafia games. If I was fooled then so be it, I still stand behind my advice for anyone who does feel ill over a game.

Ogre had similar advice directly before me, why didn't you include him in your accusations? I caught you in a lie before, when you tried to tie FD and I together. And I caught you in a lie again when you tried to split Ogre and I when we have the same advice to another player.
 
I suspect I'll be a prime candidate for the mafia to try and get lynched tomorrow- due to a) I've drawn attention to myself so some innocents may consider me. b) I think I've made myself a minor PITA to them.
 
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