Mafia #53.5 Rock the Vote

[IceH2O]

Ice, I am curious why you pick to go against a singleton, TRS, instead of one of the established choices, or in fact myself. Not saying TRS is innocent- I'm not sure.

Is it that, now I'm established on 6 votes, (5 now you have retracted), you want to distance yourself from Pappy/Noods and the fact that you started the voting on me?

Yep thats it Wycco.

Only reason TRS got a vote was because I had to put a vote somewhere and he was the one I was going to look into. Be pretty stupid to lay a vote on one person then look at posts of another person. Does it bother you that I'm looking at a team mate?

All you are doing are attacking players that voted you. Do you really think everyone that voted you is mafia? Is there anyone not on you that you think is mafia?

 

[jm1212]

I've no idea who KOTD is- I'm assuming KOTD turned out to be guilty. As for not trying- I'm not trying to get out of being lynched, no, I actually think it may help the team in a bizarre way if I am lynched.

Me getting lynched at days end will point huge fingers at yourself and noods.



As for my proof- without wading through dozens of posts...

You led an early campaign against Rocker because he cast a third vote against Zaffy. I wasn't so sure if Rocker's action was to get Zaffy off or not- no one was taking tally...

... except you and you made the case against Rocker saying he was the deciding vote against Zaffy. That was it...

I thought that odd- what I also thought odd was back when Luvbugs was under intense scrutiny you made comments in her defense... that put you as defending two suspicious people. When I pointed this obvious thing out Noodles jumped to defend you saying I was acting "coached". (something that Rocker also noticed- and because both of us noticed this supposedly we're in unison with Rocker presumedly as the coach).

Noodles also seemed to be protecting Bugs early on, and if I'm not mistaken voted against Kash... and then later said she KNEW they shouldn't have voted against Kash...

Noods also seemed to be going out of her way to pretend to be balanced and not form an opinion- yet still always seemed to be on the "wrong side"... at least until Luvbugs was a lost cause.

The fact that you always ended up as the glue between all the chief suspects- how could that be mere coincidence? Also the whole "he's being coached angle" as if it's such a complicated game that someone can't make observations on their first game.

I'm not so much giving up as- I've already said all the above before- I know I'm being lynched not much chance of changing that. All I can do is hope that I can take it for the team- and make sure the mafia that are trying to bring me down also get lynched.

Early on I actually wasn't as sure as I am now- it's more the reaction to my comments and the "he's doing good he must be coached" that made me realise I'm on the right track.

How the heck would anyone know if I'm doing good if no-one I've observed slipping up has been lynched yet. (well bugs has now- and I turned out right before then).

I'm obviously causing a lot of worries in mafia-central for so much attention to be applied to me... that is assuming I'm innocent... which we will all know or not at the end of the day if I am lynched.

it wasnt that you were making presumably advanced statements for your first game, it was that you were making statements that were more than simple observations; they were observations that sounded like they came from a veteran. for someone that cried newbie earlier in the game, thats a stark contrast and made Noods, Jpap, and a few others realize that there may be something else going on behind the scenes.

i think you were just spewing out whatever you read in a PM with your mafia buddies...perhaps Coler or one of the other UD's has your back?

maybe you are Luvbugz reincarnated?

 

[Wycco]

ICE, the only two people who voted for me that I think are mafia are Noods and Pappy.

I also think Zaffy is mafia have all along but he hasn't voted for me. I think you are suspicious but not necessarily mafia.

There are 6 people who have voted for me- I think two of them are mafia- the other 4 I don't know about. I think Ogre is most likely not Mafia. I think JM is probably not mafia but I don't know- I think his was more of a bandwagon vote- I was the current hot suspect.

I do believe somewhat in the OMGUS philiosophy as being a very basic and poor guideline but better than nothing. In that someone guilty is more likely to vote for you than someone innocent... guilty people knowing who are innocent are more likely to pick an innocent person than an innocent person is- even if purely random.

Anyone who is innocent who gets a vote from someone somewhat randomly from another person should consider that that other person could be guilty. It's common sense.

 

[Wycco]

it wasnt that you were making presumably advanced statements for your first game, it was that you were making statements that were more than simple observations; they were observations that sounded like they came from a veteran. for someone that cried newbie earlier in the game, thats a stark contrast and made Noods, Jpap, and a few others realize that there may be something else going on behind the scenes.

I guess I should take that as a compliment then.


Can someone point out one observation I made though that a newbie couldn't figure out.

I'm not the world's brightest person- but I'm not stupid either and can make independant observation.

You're welcome to your own opinions- I don't think I said anything "brilliant"- it was more a chance that my early guesswork seemed to land on a few people's nerves as being a little too close to the truth.

One of my original three, LuvBugz has been found guilty- if my other two, jpap and Zaffy were also correct it would show why I rankled a few feathers and the "he's being coached" line was thrown in as the main argument against me.



Can someone point out ONE thing I said that a newbie couldn't have figured out for himself?

 

[IceH2O]

ICE, the only two people who voted for me that I think are mafia are Noods and Pappy.

I also think Zaffy is mafia have all along but he hasn't voted for me. I think you are suspicious but not necessarily mafia.

There are 6 people who have voted for me- I think two of them are mafia- the other 4 I don't know about. I think Ogre is most likely not Mafia. I think JM is probably not mafia but I don't know- I think his was more of a bandwagon vote- I was the current hot suspect.

I do believe somewhat in the OMGUS philiosophy as being a very basic and poor guideline but better than nothing. In that someone guilty is more likely to vote for you than someone innocent... guilty people knowing who are innocent are more likely to pick an innocent person than an innocent person is- even if purely random.

Anyone who is innocent who gets a vote from someone somewhat randomly from another person should consider that that other person could be guilty. It's common sense.

Since this is most likely your last game day and you proclaim innocence help the town by making a list of every player and where you would rate them on mafia (10) to innocent (1) with reasons.

It helps the town and if enough people believe you could help you. From that list you can then make cases for your mafia suspects. Might as well go down with a bang.

 

[jm1212]

ICE, the only two people who voted for me that I think are mafia are Noods and Pappy.

I also think Zaffy is mafia have all along but he hasn't voted for me. I think you are suspicious but not necessarily mafia.

There are 6 people who have voted for me- I think two of them are mafia- the other 4 I don't know about. I think Ogre is most likely not Mafia. I think JM is probably not mafia but I don't know- I think his was more of a bandwagon vote- I was the current hot suspect.

I do believe somewhat in the OMGUS philiosophy as being a very basic and poor guideline but better than nothing. In that someone guilty is more likely to vote for you than someone innocent... guilty people knowing who are innocent are more likely to pick an innocent person than an innocent person is- even if purely random.

Anyone who is innocent who gets a vote from someone somewhat randomly from another person should consider that that other person could be guilty. It's common sense.

i guess my vote for Luvbugz was a bandwagon vote too? despite the fact that i voted for her second?

also consider the fact that you have been acting suspiciously for both day 1 and 2, well in my eyes at least. my vote for you isnt any "bandwagon" theme. if anyone, i am known for voting who i think is mafia, and sticking to it

 

[IceH2O]

I don't think you've been coached. I even jumped on Noodles for making that statement earlier in the game.

Of everyone on you Noods bothers me the most but she is hard to read.

Jpap has been questionable too but I don't feel mafia in his posts.

Ogre I can pick out of a crowd,JM was on Luv to quick to be mafia.

DD is on you but I see no mention of her, how do you feel about her being on you?

 

[johnlarson66]

The votes so far:

Wycco - Ice (486), Ogre (487), noods (490), jm1212 (498), jpap (509), DD (537)

Zaffy - dawg (488),

noodles62 - rocker (491)

OgreMvK - mc (494)

The Red Severn - FD (500), Ice (547)

jpappy789 - DD (501), Wycco (517)

Agassizii - Zaf (503)

AnniesNotOk - FD (506), FD (ann 504),

Rocker92 - rich (538),

Danger of UD - luckydud13, jbradt, Jen4kngs

 

[jm1212]

The votes so far:

Wycco - Ice (486), Ogre (487), noods (490), jm1212 (498), jpap (509), DD (537)

Zaffy - dawg (488),

noodles62 - rocker (491)

OgreMvK - mc (494)

The Red Severn - FD (500), Ice (547)

jpappy789 - DD (501), Wycco (517)

Agassizii - Zaf (503)

AnniesNotOk - FD (506), FD (ann 504),

Rocker92 - rich (538),

Danger of UD - luckydud13, jbradt, Jen4kngs

ty bala

 

[jpappy789]

ICE, the only two people who voted for me that I think are mafia are Noods and Pappy.

I also think Zaffy is mafia have all along but he hasn't voted for me. I think you are suspicious but not necessarily mafia.

There are 6 people who have voted for me- I think two of them are mafia- the other 4 I don't know about. I think Ogre is most likely not Mafia. I think JM is probably not mafia but I don't know- I think his was more of a bandwagon vote- I was the current hot suspect.

I do believe somewhat in the OMGUS philiosophy as being a very basic and poor guideline but better than nothing. In that someone guilty is more likely to vote for you than someone innocent... guilty people knowing who are innocent are more likely to pick an innocent person than an innocent person is- even if purely random.

Anyone who is innocent who gets a vote from someone somewhat randomly from another person should consider that that other person could be guilty. It's common sense.

Can you then explain why your entire basis of being suspicious of Rich, noodles, and also plant was because they somehow disagreed with your thoughts on your Jpap-Zaffy-Luv trifecta in the first place? Then today you added Ice who voted for you...seems like you've been playing the OMGUS card the entire game.

See below...

Early on I noticed that JPap seemed to be defending you- the whole you vs Rocker thing seemed very suspicious- with JPap, and then several others joining in to try and shift the blame onto Rocker seemed to be a group effort.

There also seemed to be an effort later on when it turned into a Kashta Vs Luv affair to protect Luvbugz... Kashta turned out to be innocent. Jpap was seeming to side with Bugz and yourself... add that to the suspicons I already had about you made me think that the 3 of you were in on it together.

The rest of the people I have mentioned seemed to also at one point or another seem to be putting doubt on the above three's involvement in the mafia.

They could be innocents who truly believe that after following that path or reason... OR they could be mafia trying to protect you. That's why I say "4 or 5" of the following. I don't know which are and which arn't.

There is a good chance either yourself or Luvbugz will be lynched... in which case we'll know your mafia ties or innocence- IF one of you get lynched and turn out to be innocent that would make it seem very strongly like I myself would be a suspect for trying to group "innocents" together.

I'm willing to put myself on the line for that. I doubt a mafia member would do the same so strongly if they knew one were innocent.

Noodles is very clever- she always says "so and so" may be guilty, refering but then goes ahead and votes for someone else- as if she's trying to seem uncertain... yet she always ends up on the Zaffy/LuvBugs side of any discussion.

If I get taken out on a hit one night- and Zaffy or LuvBugz turns out to be mafia- I suggest that that be taken into account.

I am a newbie at this- but that doesn't mean I'm not paying attention! Nor does it mean I'm any good- I could be missing the plot completely and sticking my foot in my mouth big time!