Mafia #53.5 Rock the Vote

[jpappy789]

ICE, the only two people who voted for me that I think are mafia are Noods and Pappy.

I also think Zaffy is mafia have all along but he hasn't voted for me. I think you are suspicious but not necessarily mafia.

There are 6 people who have voted for me- I think two of them are mafia- the other 4 I don't know about. I think Ogre is most likely not Mafia. I think JM is probably not mafia but I don't know- I think his was more of a bandwagon vote- I was the current hot suspect.

I do believe somewhat in the OMGUS philiosophy as being a very basic and poor guideline but better than nothing. In that someone guilty is more likely to vote for you than someone innocent... guilty people knowing who are innocent are more likely to pick an innocent person than an innocent person is- even if purely random.

Anyone who is innocent who gets a vote from someone somewhat randomly from another person should consider that that other person could be guilty. It's common sense.

Innocents vote innocents all the time (seeing as with 30-some odd players in the beginning, chances are it would happen) and mafia will vote mafia...if anything being an OMGUS player is more scummy. You would rather jump on whomever attacked you rather than find real suspects to place a vote. Its a subtle way of being defensive...You think I'm mafia, so I'm going to vote for you even I have no shred of evidence that you are mafia...I'll admit thats kind of what I did with Ogre, granted I thought his play with mafia-like at the time.

I can see it being used day 1, but day 3? Come on. Actually do some work rather than call foul whenever someone questions or votes for you...

 

[IceH2O]

A lot of vets have been playing under the radar. I'd like to see who they suspect as mafia also.

DD
Dawg
LG
RB

You guys have either laid low or attached to 1 certain player or followed the crowd. How about some insight?

 

[Zaffy]

I guess I should take that as a compliment then.


Can someone point out one observation I made though that a newbie couldn't figure out.

I'm not the world's brightest person- but I'm not stupid either and can make independant observation.

You're welcome to your own opinions- I don't think I said anything "brilliant"- it was more a chance that my early guesswork seemed to land on a few people's nerves as being a little too close to the truth.

One of my original three, LuvBugz has been found guilty- if my other two, jpap and Zaffy were also correct it would show why I rankled a few feathers and the "he's being coached" line was thrown in as the main argument against me.



Can someone point out ONE thing I said that a newbie couldn't have figured out for himself?

Based on your posts, I certainly don't think you're being coached. Who could possibly think that any of your posts in the last day or so are a good idea at all. I think you are however kicking up a lot of smoke. And that worries me. If you are innocent, then it's a horrible strategy, because you're taking attention off of other possible leads. You're making wild claims without giving evidence. The whole lack of evidence is my problem with you, it's my problem with rocker, it's my problem with Dangerdoll.

 

[noodles62]

I've no idea who KOTD is- I'm assuming KOTD turned out to be guilty. As for not trying- I'm not trying to get out of being lynched, no, I actually think it may help the team in a bizarre way if I am lynched.

Me getting lynched at days end will point huge fingers at yourself and noods.



As for my proof- without wading through dozens of posts...

You led an early campaign against Rocker because he cast a third vote against Zaffy. I wasn't so sure if Rocker's action was to get Zaffy off or not- no one was taking tally...

... except you and you made the case against Rocker saying he was the deciding vote against Zaffy. That was it...

I thought that odd- what I also thought odd was back when Luvbugs was under intense scrutiny you made comments in her defense... that put you as defending two suspicious people. When I pointed this obvious thing out Noodles jumped to defend you saying I was acting "coached". (something that Rocker also noticed- and because both of us noticed this supposedly we're in unison with Rocker presumedly as the coach).

Noodles also seemed to be protecting Bugs early on, and if I'm not mistaken voted against Kash... and then later said she KNEW they shouldn't have voted against Kash...

Noods also seemed to be going out of her way to pretend to be balanced and not form an opinion- yet still always seemed to be on the "wrong side"... at least until Luvbugs was a lost cause.

The fact that you always ended up as the glue between all the chief suspects- how could that be mere coincidence? Also the whole "he's being coached angle" as if it's such a complicated game that someone can't make observations on their first game.

I'm not so much giving up as- I've already said all the above before- I know I'm being lynched not much chance of changing that. All I can do is hope that I can take it for the team- and make sure the mafia that are trying to bring me down also get lynched.

Early on I actually wasn't as sure as I am now- it's more the reaction to my comments and the "he's doing good he must be coached" that made me realise I'm on the right track.

How the heck would anyone know if I'm doing good if no-one I've observed slipping up has been lynched yet. (well bugs has now- and I turned out right before then).

I'm obviously causing a lot of worries in mafia-central for so much attention to be applied to me... that is assuming I'm innocent... which we will all know or not at the end of the day if I am lynched.

I am going to copy and pasted form the above post, so I can comments individually:

1.When I pointed this obvious thing out Noodles jumped to defend you saying I was acting "coached". (something that Rocker also noticed- and because both of us noticed this supposedly we're in unison with Rocker presumedly as the coach).
I never defended Jpap. I had my own independant thoughts and intuition that you were being coached. I disliked the rocker/zaffy omgus issue and you immediately took sides with rocker. how could anyone, especially a "novice" be so certain that one player over another is scum based on an omgus? (again making me think you were being coached)

2. Noodles also seemed to be protecting Bugs early on, and if I'm not mistaken voted against Kash... and then later said she KNEW they shouldn't have voted against Kash...
WTH are you talking about? I never voted for Kashta. I stated that I did not like the whole kashta/bugz back and forth thing. I did state that I did not like the train that formed on bugz; it was day one for crying out loud. if you have noticed it is quite difficult to get a good read on players on day one. By day two, I was convinced Bugz was scum. Players are allowed to change their view point on players as the game progresses. (that's what all this is about)

3. Noods also seemed to be going out of her way to pretend to be balanced and not form an opinion- yet still always seemed to be on the "wrong side"... at least until Luvbugs was a lost cause.

The fact that you always ended up as the glue between all the chief suspects- how could that be mere coincidence? Also the whole "he's being coached angle" as if it's such a complicated game that someone can't make observations on their first game.

Again, any posts to back this up? It is extremely helpful to all players to pull posts when you are trying to make a point. Wading thru dozens of posts is part of the game. I, personally cant see where I have been "pretending to be balanced and not formed an opinion". Looks like I formed on you and on Bugz last game day......:huh:

I end up as glue? Perhaps you should stop sniffing Niko's super glue and take a breathe of fresh air.

 

[jpappy789]

I've no idea who KOTD is- I'm assuming KOTD turned out to be guilty. As for not trying- I'm not trying to get out of being lynched, no, I actually think it may help the team in a bizarre way if I am lynched.

Me getting lynched at days end will point huge fingers at yourself and noods.



As for my proof- without wading through dozens of posts...

You led an early campaign against Rocker because he cast a third vote against Zaffy. I wasn't so sure if Rocker's action was to get Zaffy off or not- no one was taking tally...

... except you and you made the case against Rocker saying he was the deciding vote against Zaffy. That was it...

I thought that odd- what I also thought odd was back when Luvbugs was under intense scrutiny you made comments in her defense... that put you as defending two suspicious people. When I pointed this obvious thing out Noodles jumped to defend you saying I was acting "coached". (something that Rocker also noticed- and because both of us noticed this supposedly we're in unison with Rocker presumedly as the coach).

Noodles also seemed to be protecting Bugs early on, and if I'm not mistaken voted against Kash... and then later said she KNEW they shouldn't have voted against Kash...

Noods also seemed to be going out of her way to pretend to be balanced and not form an opinion- yet still always seemed to be on the "wrong side"... at least until Luvbugs was a lost cause.

The fact that you always ended up as the glue between all the chief suspects- how could that be mere coincidence? Also the whole "he's being coached angle" as if it's such a complicated game that someone can't make observations on their first game.

I'm not so much giving up as- I've already said all the above before- I know I'm being lynched not much chance of changing that. All I can do is hope that I can take it for the team- and make sure the mafia that are trying to bring me down also get lynched.

Early on I actually wasn't as sure as I am now- it's more the reaction to my comments and the "he's doing good he must be coached" that made me realise I'm on the right track.

How the heck would anyone know if I'm doing good if no-one I've observed slipping up has been lynched yet. (well bugs has now- and I turned out right before then).

I'm obviously causing a lot of worries in mafia-central for so much attention to be applied to me... that is assuming I'm innocent... which we will all know or not at the end of the day if I am lynched.

I find it funny that I would step in and help two of my teammates on the same day...one of which was in no danger of being lynched and especially on day 1.

Rockers voting on the first day was enough to warrant a vote IMO. Even if he did not know exactly how many votes were on Zaf at the time I assume he read through before posting, thus he saw Zaffy's name a few times and went with it. How coincidental that even after being asked why he voted he didn't respond until day 2 saying it was random...

You seem to think myself and others were defending Zaffy however that is not the case. I went after rocker, and it didn't matter where the votes where placed. Had they been piled on you I still would have came to the same conclusion. You said yourself in response to Noods saying you were protecting rocker that you were not protecting anyone, just going after Zaffy...how is that any different than what I did night one?

I've also said a bunch of times that my post about Luv had nothing to do with her NOT being scummy, I simply said it was unlikely that her and Jm planned it out before hand. How she reacted to the scrutiny was a completely different story.

Another thing, stop putting words into my mouth. I pointed out rocker agreeing with Noods about you being coached because he halfheartedly said it without any elaboration. You said he was suspicious of you, but I would hardly call it that. Never once did I say rocker was your coach...he hasn't even played a full game yet...

 

[noodles62]

I've no idea who KOTD is- I'm assuming KOTD turned out to be guilty. As for not trying- I'm not trying to get out of being lynched, no, I actually think it may help the team in a bizarre way if I am lynched.

Me getting lynched at days end will point huge fingers at yourself and noods.



As for my proof- without wading through dozens of posts...

You led an early campaign against Rocker because he cast a third vote against Zaffy. I wasn't so sure if Rocker's action was to get Zaffy off or not- no one was taking tally...

... except you and you made the case against Rocker saying he was the deciding vote against Zaffy. That was it...

I thought that odd- what I also thought odd was back when Luvbugs was under intense scrutiny you made comments in her defense... that put you as defending two suspicious people. When I pointed this obvious thing out Noodles jumped to defend you saying I was acting "coached". (something that Rocker also noticed- and because both of us noticed this supposedly we're in unison with Rocker presumedly as the coach).

Noodles also seemed to be protecting Bugs early on, and if I'm not mistaken voted against Kash... and then later said she KNEW they shouldn't have voted against Kash...

Noods also seemed to be going out of her way to pretend to be balanced and not form an opinion- yet still always seemed to be on the "wrong side"... at least until Luvbugs was a lost cause.

The fact that you always ended up as the glue between all the chief suspects- how could that be mere coincidence? Also the whole "he's being coached angle" as if it's such a complicated game that someone can't make observations on their first game.

I'm not so much giving up as- I've already said all the above before- I know I'm being lynched not much chance of changing that. All I can do is hope that I can take it for the team- and make sure the mafia that are trying to bring me down also get lynched.

Early on I actually wasn't as sure as I am now- it's more the reaction to my comments and the "he's doing good he must be coached" that made me realise I'm on the right track.

How the heck would anyone know if I'm doing good if no-one I've observed slipping up has been lynched yet. (well bugs has now- and I turned out right before then).

I'm obviously causing a lot of worries in mafia-central for so much attention to be applied to me... that is assuming I'm innocent... which we will all know or not at the end of the day if I am lynched.

One more thing in response to the part I bolded: Many of us have played many games, so we are pretty accurate at saying "he is playing good" so not sure where you are going with that. And what do you mean you turned out right about Bugz? you vaguely mentioned her as suspect - did you vote her? did you vote her day one or day two? Looked like distancing to me.

 

[noodles62]

I guess I should take that as a compliment then.


Can someone point out one observation I made though that a newbie couldn't figure out.

I'm not the world's brightest person- but I'm not stupid either and can make independant observation.

You're welcome to your own opinions- I don't think I said anything "brilliant"- it was more a chance that my early guesswork seemed to land on a few people's nerves as being a little too close to the truth.

One of my original three, LuvBugz has been found guilty- if my other two, jpap and Zaffy were also correct it would show why I rankled a few feathers and the "he's being coached" line was thrown in as the main argument against me.



Can someone point out ONE thing I said that a newbie couldn't have figured out for himself?[/QUOTE]


and we should go back and pull all the posts for you? Pull your own posts and do your own dirty work- I have my own man to tend to.

 

[jpappy789]

A lot of vets have been playing under the radar. I'd like to see who they suspect as mafia also.

DD
Dawg
LG
RB

You guys have either laid low or attached to 1 certain player or followed the crowd. How about some insight?

I agree^

From some of their posts...

DD- on wycco, suspicious of me
Dawg-has Zaffy and maybe me as suspects
LG-voted me and hans't really mentioned anyone else
RB-no idea where he stands now

I can't find much analysis out of any of them, except Dawg and DD tend to say more substance within the posts...

 

[dirtydawg10]

A lot of vets have been playing under the radar. I'd like to see who they suspect as mafia also.

DD
Dawg
LG
RB

You guys have either laid low or attached to 1 certain player or followed the crowd. How about some insight?

Since you must have missed my previous posts Ice...here you go. I voted for Zaffy because of his seeming to try and protect Luv. I also pointed out some strange behavior from Wycco and Rocker. I can see a case for JPap and Noods if Wycco turns up innocent.

First of all I retract my vote for Zaffy and vote to lynch Wycco.

Wycco has given me a lot of reasons to suspect him since my vote on Zaffy. I don't have time to quote right now but I will be back on later tonight. Although it seems some of you see what I am seeing due to the votes for Wycco. I really think that knowing what Wycco is could tell us a lot after the more recent posting from him.

Here's the rest of my list...

Zaffy, Rocker, JPap, Noods

They are in no particular order but I think knowing what Wycco is will help me sort that out after the next nightfall.

 

[jpappy789]

It's been pointed out already, but I'm concerned with the way Wycco is throwing around Ogre's name.

I'd encourage everyone to go back and re-read JPaps case against me... no really read it.

This whole- me and Rocker are in cahoots thing stems to mainly three items:

1) I noticed how he was defending both Zaffy and LuvBugs by trying to shift the blame onto Kashta and Rocker... so therefore I must be in cahoots with Rocker.

- oh so I must be with Kashta too huh! Good job we lynched her.

2) Rocker agreed with me that it would be a good idea if the narrator contacted everyone on the UD list to level the playing field since the mafia would be able to contact UD.

3) We have similar suspicions lists. LuvBugs, Pappy, Zaffy. Well that makes perfectly good sense- everyone suspected Luvbugz- and I suspected Pappy for his connection trying to defend both Bugz and Zaffy. Rocker, would also likely suspect Pappy and Zaffy for the same thing since he was connected with it.

That's a very weak connection. Re-read his post do you see anything more?





Also- note Pappy wants the race to be between me and Rocker. As an innocent why would this make sense.


If I am lynched today- as indeed I am by far the favourite to be lynched at this moment- and I am found to be mafia- by all means Rocker should be your next target because as weak as the links are.



I'm OK with being lynched at the end of the day- in part because I'm going to be busy as all heck this weekend- so I don't have to worry with following up on this.




BUT- please don't let me die in vain. Learn something from my death.



If I am guilty and mafia, then yes, you should seriously look at both Rocker and Ogre- because people seem to think I am taking orders from them. (which I personally think is hillarious).



If I am lynched and found to be innocent- please note that everything I have said has been true. (including this prediction that I will be lynched)

I didn't think Kash was guilty. I thought LuvBugs was guilty. I thought I would be a target by the mafia today for lynching. I think I've bizarrely figured it out- and know why I'm being targeted.


Few people have Noodles as a suspect. If I am lynched and found innocent- learn from this. Noodles was the first one to try to cast suspicion on me after I identified my "axis of evil" as Zaffy, JPap, and LuvBugz.

At that point her only thing was "he sounds coached"- as if the game is so complicated you can't add 1+1 together.

I would not be surprised if Noodles turns out to be the don actually. She seems to step so gingerly- and yes she did vote for Luvbugz- but not until it was obvious she was going down anyway. Obviously no way of knowing- just a gut feeling. She's trying overly hard to sound non-commital whilst seemingly in line with the JPap/Zaffy/LuvBugz mafia group.

Noodles isn't on most people's radars- but when I am lynched at the end of the day and you find out that I am innocent- you should start questioning why she seemed to be so sure of me so early on after I identified three targets just because "I didn't seem like a beginner".




Just don't let my death be in vain. I'm telling you: JPAP, NOODLES, ZAFFY.



I'm not sure why Ice so quickly after day break started the train against me- but after I am lynched and found innocent questions should be asked... is he with the mafia too or just made a bad guess... dunno.


Just don't let my death be in vain.

Wycco "seriously" suggests looking into Ogre and rocker if he is found mafia. Interesting, I don't know of any innocent that would say such a thing unless they knew there was a chance that they would come up as such. I think this is a perfect way to get us confused about Wycco's possible connections...should we actually believe that Ogre and rocker are his teammates or is he just messing with us?

My updated list (what got the mafia to try and lynch me today to begin with)

And yes it has changed... as I learn new things.
:

Almost Certainly Mafia:
Jpap, Zaffy

Most likely Mafia:
Noodles

Likely Mafia:
Ice, MC

Possibly Mafia:
Rocker

Unlikely Mafia:
Firedancer, dangerdoll, Ogre.

Ogre is unlikely mafia^

Wycco, why on Earth do you declare that if you are found mafia, then I must be coaching you, yet you have me on the probably not mafia list?

Sorry, but you're toast.

More and more I'm thinking Jpap innocent and that the mafia saw an opportunity to get him killed by me. I really wish I knew Jpap's role. It's the one thing that's making me very nervous.

If the mafia have 7 or 8 actual playing people, then they could afford to sacrifice a few and have one of their own look pure as driven snow.

My mafia list:
Wycco
rocker (of course, I'm taking the rocker thing almost purely on Jpap's excellent analysis)
mostlychiclids

high consideration
TRS
Fire (yes, that's new, something about her posts just don't sit well...)

Ogre asks why he is mentioned in Wycco's post.

Ogre, If I'm guilty- you and Rocker HAVE to be suspects- because supposedly the two of you have been coaching me all along and I've been protecting you!


Relax- I'm going to die- but I'm innocent- so that should smile favourably on both of you.


If your rationale behind Pappy being innocent is based on me being guilty- then does that mean you will agree Pappy (again sorry for targeting you Paps) is very likely guilty if I am innocent.

Wycco plays it off as sarcasm. Note though that no one has said rocker was coaching him and I sarcastically said Ogre told him to say something (which he responded to with a joke). So the question still remains, why would Wycco seriously bring up rocker and Ogre as suspects if he is found mafia when Wycco has been declaring innocence this entire day.

Ogre's innocent. That's why I'm buddying up with him.


Noods, Paps... Oh I definately think I'm being lynched... pretty obvious when I woke up this morning and had 5 votes against me...

That's fine- I just hope Kashta and ZSand have saved me a spot at the great bar in the sky and that they serve Boddington's to innocent's in heaven?


Paps and Noods- in your pursuit of me- you've left yourselves as prime suspects when I am found innocent tonight... talk about digging holes...
- I'm not sure how you're going to avoid being lynched day 4 and 5.

but they don't serve Boddington's to mafioso like yourself... I'm afraid it's only Bud Light for you guys where you're going!


Oh well... I had fun- shame the day can't end tonight... day three is beginning to drag out a little bit.



Oh, great Kashta and ZSand in the sky- I'm coming to join you- tell the barmaid to make sure they have Boddington's in stock!

Now Ogre is just innocent^

ICE, the only two people who voted for me that I think are mafia are Noods and Pappy.

I also think Zaffy is mafia have all along but he hasn't voted for me. I think you are suspicious but not necessarily mafia.

There are 6 people who have voted for me- I think two of them are mafia- the other 4 I don't know about. I think Ogre is most likely not Mafia. I think JM is probably not mafia but I don't know- I think his was more of a bandwagon vote- I was the current hot suspect.

I do believe somewhat in the OMGUS philiosophy as being a very basic and poor guideline but better than nothing. In that someone guilty is more likely to vote for you than someone innocent... guilty people knowing who are innocent are more likely to pick an innocent person than an innocent person is- even if purely random.

Anyone who is innocent who gets a vote from someone somewhat randomly from another person should consider that that other person could be guilty. It's common sense.

Now Ogre is "most likely not mafia"

I don't know exactly what to think of this yet...is Wycco trying to protect either Ogre or rocker (or both) when he is lynched because he would not name teammates so openly or is he trying to incriminate one or both of them by reverse psychology mumbo jumbo...all I know so far is its not helping his case.