Mafia 54:Vampires Return (The Play)

ok- sorry if this is long, and I hope i dont screw it up; my head still hurts....

I don't think you will be out tonight. I don't like your "that is unfortunate for the innocents".

I do think your play style has changed, but I don't think that means you are evil, but I do think you are posting different, maybe just less, but there is some sort of change. It could be the tone of your posts. Hard to explain.

Why so quick to vote jpap? I don't recall him being a suspect of yours. What did you find that made you "follow Rb". Was there something different from day one to day two.

ummm.... ok, so what Pappy. I admitted that I didn't read through the rules at least one time before... why do you feel the need to drag it on? I voted Kash because I find her most suspicious, especially now with this posting you've done in her regard, if not for her mile long posts. Ans there you have it, you are riding on her coattails by this protection of her that you seem to do... and the posts where you quoted her... doesn't change my mind... nice way to make it seem like you are not on a team... guess what though, I'm not buying it.

Well I was wrong on DD. I sort of half-expected that because of our history.

On Zaffy, I dunno....

Right now I find it more interesting that Coler voted late on a singleton for no reason other than a hunch rather than seal the deal on someone (notabley Kash) who seemed to be at least a "suspect" on his list.

Rich did the exact same thing last game and I called him out for it...ironically it was also about Kash. No matter how weak a case he saw he did not want to commit. I think Coler was worried about looking bad.

I vote to stick a stake in Coler

for now.

ok - I will give a list too....I like lists.

Jpap - leaning innocent altho I will admit I am really close to being on the fence
RB - playing pretty much as he did last game.....quite and not offering much input= dont know
Coler - dont know...no feeling
JL - hard to trust and had fooled me too many times
Zsand - leaning innocent - ?
JM - off the top of my head I would say leaning scum
Annie - non existant
Kash - her posts are distracting and a bit too forceful; could see her as scum
Ogre - no idea....
Zaffy - scum; very anti town like behavior...
Dawg - see comments on JL
Rocker - leaning innocent
Wycco - I am leaning a little more scum on him right now
Lanimret - could see a team mate of Zaffy but leaning innocent right now
Rich - middle of trhe road as usual
Paper - ????

I think that is everyone that is still in the game. My vote is currently back on Zaffy but I could see myself moving to Kashta.....

Here I stated that i am closeto being on the fence re: Jpap; Note I also stated I do not trust Dawg - I never said I had him "in the middle"

Figured I might as well...

RB- not revealing much but not out of the ordinary either
Coler- a suspect
JL- his gameplay is rather suspect this time around
Zsand- leaning innocent although is pretty set on zaffy which could be telling based on the outcome
Jm- his following is concerning
Annie- no idea
Kash- I dont like her posts from day 1 but I'm not entirely sure because of the whole thing with JL and coler
Ogre- the drama still is in my mind but nothing else
Zaffy- selfish, antitown play but I still am thinking innocent
Noodles- not sure...
Dawg- can never tell anyways
Rocker- far too quiet for my liking
Wycco- nothing
DD- DEAD INNOCENT
Phoenixn7g- DEAD INNOCENT
Lanimret- not sure
Rich- always a shady player, nothing overtly suspicious this game though
Paperdragon- I get an innocent vibe but a newb so I have no tell yet

JPap, pretty non committal on everyone...

well....look at jpappy first.....more to follow...

Coler, I am not convinced that you are innocent however I am a bit intrigued that Jpap and Dawg both have their vote on you right now (2 that I am on the fence about). Would fellow vamps be so bold as to place their votes together? Doubtful but maybe they feel confident cause they have the majority of us running in circles....*things that make you go hhhmmmm* Just thinking out loud.....

Not that anyone would believe me but I was typing my above post when RB posted to "look at Jpap". (note the two minute time difference - I type slow & try to review my thoughts before hitting "post") I had been studying my spreadsheet and looking at the way the votes were and it just really stuck out that Jpap and Dawg were both on Coler, when I did not find anything suspicious about Coler myself. I will admit that the few games I have played with Coler either he or I were taken out on night one, so I have not really played with him much - but still not seeing scum there.

I am willing to take the chance: I retract my vote for Zaffy (again) and vote to stick a stake into Jpappy

Anyone care to join me? I hate to fight vampires all by my little lonesome. (I have been told I have a very nice neck!) :eek:

I asked if anyone would join me because I was a lone vote and wanted to see if anyone else saw anything fishy.....:huh:

I vote to lynch jpappy...

since Kash givves him an OK....

This scared me, I will admit!

OK, rb, I take up the implied challenge to review Jpap and I actually found a couple of interesting things and more confusion... maybe.

First vote for pap. I assume that Jpap took as the first day/first vote nonsense that it generally is and ignored it. But it would be weird if a vamp voted for someone to turn. It might not be so weird if someone were later turned (Zaffy).

Taken separately, this doesn't really mean anything, but it seems to me there are several posts in this general theme.

hmm... OK, I can maybe see my comments as being 'too dramatic', but is it really that big a deal? And is it big enough to think me a vamp? (re: Jpap's current list)

OK, Jpap half expected DD to be innocent, yet she was the choice for the vote. In a couple of place (OK, at least one place), Jpap jumps on people for a random vote.

Now it's scummy to vote random rather than for a susepct. Is 50/50 chance scummy or random or a suspect?

Who's a known innocent?

After reading this a couple of times, I'm still not sure if this is for or against John...

Actually I agree with this... but it's also somewhat contradictory.

OK, now this is a mini-showdown. But when I called them on it yesterday, Jpapy jumped my butt about it and move me to possible vamp status because of it.

This is reference to John. So Pap is ignoring John's content, but still thinks him of being a vamp.


I'll answer this. At the time, I didn't think Kash was a vamp and wanted to make it a multi-horse race. My choice was DD (I think) or Zaffy... I picked.

I thought I saw another Jpapy post where he basically accepts the random vote thing because he does it, but has accused others of doing the same thing. Maybe I misread.

Conclusion: I think Jpap is all over the place. I think his play style may have changed too. I think that some of his posts are even contradictory. I left out a lot of the posts where him and DD were discussing the rules.

The one thing I have about not voting him is that I agree with him about JMs current play (or lack thereof).

JM has done some switching that seems odd and is very quiet.

So the question is do I go for a good player or a quiet player, both of whom I think may be vamps.

For now I retract my vote for Zaffy and vote to stake JM.

Although JPap is a strong contender possibly scummy.

I would also like to note that a few people are quietly being ignored and don't seem to be making much todo about it. Noods is super quiet (must be on medication or something)...

I thought Ogre's post was worth pointing out as I agree that Jpap seems to be all over the place this time around. Albeit I also agree that JM seems to be playing a bit odd too as he was last game, in which he was a power role. I am inclined to think that JM chokes when he haas a power role and it is reflected in his play....JMO

last game noods claimed she was on vacation(which im sure she she was) but she kept making excuses about how she was soo busy and had no time... this game, she seems to be doing the same thing.

it may just be me but i think she is scummy.


I vote to stick a steak/stake into noodles.

of course, this vote may change.

But at least am posting and trying to have some input unlike you.........

I do think this is strange, but then a lot of things are strange in this game. We have more players acting weird than there could possibly be vampires.

RB says look at Jpap. I looked, I didn't really see a lot. It's better than anything else I've got, but I did see the thing with JM and I like that better now. Maybe RB means we should look at who Jpap is looking at?

Noods is either in league with RB or just not playing this game.

Heck, jpappy, I don't like noodles following me....I think it's amazing that she would even when I never gave a reason. Almost makes me want to shift my vote.

Noods...

Looking at this list above I have highlighted the people who you had as scum yesterday.

Here we see some hesitation voting Zaffy...

Don't really understand why you suddenly switched your attention to me and Dawg. Don't understand why both of us voting Dawg is scummy either. We were both in the middle on your list. Would it not make sense to look at your other suspects (Kash, Wycco, Jm) if you were really thinking about switching off of Zaffy?

The only reason I can see is because Rb said so...but you said you weren't following Rb...

Quick change to me.

You say that you were "on the fence" with me, which I can see however you dropped your entire suspect list to go after me without any thought other than some random hint Rb dropped.

So noods, in addition to the previous question I asked...what happened to your other suspects?

See notes above about my reasons for you and Dawg. as for Kashta, I do not like her posts, not necessarily due to the content, due to the way she seemed to push her theories and desparately trying to get people to buy into it. It made me uncomfortable, plus it was distracting. I am not sure that this indicates scum or not, hence my hesitation. As for Wycco, it is merely a gut feeling at this point.


Again sorry for the long post. I still like my vote on Jpap but I could also see moving to Dawg or possibly JM.....If RB's intention was to trap me, then i seriously suggest you all look at him after i am gone. Now i have to get away from the PC, my head hurts!
 
I have:

Zaffy : ZS, Lan
Coler: Dawg
Kashta: Annie
JL:
Dawg: Rich
RB: the Pap
the Pap: Noodles, Zaffy
Jm: Ogre
Noodles: Rocker, RB, Jm, Wycco
Rich: Coler
Wycco: Paper

My notes show (&yes, I have tried to be careful this time!) that Ogre came off of JM and moved to me, giving me 5 votes and in the lead....*heavy sigh*

2 votes each for Jpap, RB, Zaffy
1 vote each for Coler, Kash, Wycco, Rich
 
Didn't Noodles vote first? Very odd.

yes I did. I would assume he was referring to how said to "look at Jpap first" and I voted Jpap.
 
Not that anyone would believe me but I was typing my above post when RB posted to "look at Jpap". (note the two minute time difference - I type slow & try to review my thoughts before hitting "post") I had been studying my spreadsheet and looking at the way the votes were and it just really stuck out that Jpap and Dawg were both on Coler, when I did not find anything suspicious about Coler myself. I will admit that the few games I have played with Coler either he or I were taken out on night one, so I have not really played with him much - but still not seeing scum there.

So noodles, you say you were looking at me and Dawg because you saw no reason for us to vote Coler (I think you should look at my latest list also) however when Coler was wondering why all the votes were piled on Zaffy you said this in your defense.

I understand you questioning the votes and the reasoning for the votes on Zaffy, Coler. And in all honesty I can say that my motivation for my vote on him is his scummy late vote switch and his posts following. Not very "townie" like. It is a weak reason, that I will admit, and I am perfectly willing to switch my vote to someone that seems more scummy. I have already retracted once as I am not convinced myu vote is in the right place, but nothing else is sticking out to me right now.

I think I will take a nice hot shower and think a bit......I do not want to help take out an innocent just because he has made a "noob" mistake. *sigh* I hate to be led around and have thoughts/suspicions planted in my head. (Vamps have a way of doing that!)

Dunno, but rather contradictory to call people out for voting someone you don't see as a suspect when you defended yourself for doing the same thing.

Also interesting that both coler and I were focusing on Day One votes, which you were not a part of...why did you feel like you needed to come out and defend your vote on Zaffy in the first place?

(btw, I understand that you were not set on Zaffy at that point so dont try to use that as a response)
 
So noodles, you say you were looking at me and Dawg because you saw no reason for us to vote Coler (I think you should look at my latest list also) however when Coler was wondering why all the votes were piled on Zaffy you said this in your defense.



Dunno, but rather contradictory to call people out for voting someone you don't see as a suspect when you defended yourself for doing the same thing.

Also interesting that both coler and I were focusing on Day One votes, which you were not a part of...why did you feel like you needed to come out and defend your vote on Zaffy in the first place?

(btw, I understand that you were not set on Zaffy at that point so dont try to use that as a response)


uuummmm, but that is my repsonse. I had been having doubts about my vote on Zaffy; note my back and forth votes on him; and when Coler posted his thoughts on the whole Zaffy thing, it made me think some more where I posted my thoughts. pretty simple.
 
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