Mafia 56. An Unknown Evil. THE GAME....

[OgreMkV]

Again, I'd just like to remind everyone that most everyone is using (as a basis to lynch me) arguments and information that I have already stated and freely admitted too.

Just my opinion, I think all the KGB is dead. There's just not enough room in this game for 3 KGB, an equivalent number of CIA, and then an undead and anti-undead teams. If there's 2 of each on these teams, that's 8 players out of 15, add in the mayor and that's nine. If each team has 3 players, then that's a total of 13 out of the 15 players. And then, everyone has a role, which is what I said in the beginning.

Good luck guys.

 

[jm1212]

if pappy was the mayor, he knew everything that was happening behind the scenes. that said, it is questionable if he knew what the roles were. for the preservation of the game, i doubt that he knew who was who, but he probably did know how many of each there were.

 

[Dangerdoll]

Tempting as it is to vote for JL for his 'drunk' crack, posted some 12 hours ahead of time, the thing I have seen which most merits a vote as opposed to a kick in the crotch has come from Ogre.

I vote to lynch Ogre.

Might be back before nightfall but probably not.

That said, the post by Phoenix which jpappy quotes above is quite the most implausible nonsense I've seen in some time.

I'd probably happily enough vote either one of Phoenix or Ogre.

ok... so by chance, I read Ogre's suggestion to read those who have been pushing on him the hardest. The first thing I did was look to see who voted for him. Me, Pappy, Annie (at one point), and Coler voted for him last night. So, my thought is Annie changed votes in order to stop the tie in order to save himself... fine, not excuseable but I will get back to him later. Coler though, Coler votes for Ogre last night. In the first quoted post above, he makes his vote and says he probably wont be back.... then, the very next post, says how Phoenix iskinda ridiculous and claims he will vote "either" Phoenix or Ogre... well Coler, you "already" voted Ogre and you said you wouldn't be back (or probably wouldn't).... yet you posted relatively close to the call of nightfall, even in the middle of it...

so was this you, trying to be all over the place to make it appear as if you are "with the town"?

 

[Luvbugz]

Just keep in mind that if there is another KGB team member (or any other evil characters), they will want the opposing good guy dead with a minimum of effort.

I realize that I can't be trusted until I'm dead. So those of you remaining, please look very closely at who really pushed for my death.

Who really pushed for your death?? Jpap, our mayor? Annie, whom you came back and didn't want anyone to follow your vote on?? Me?? I am just stating what looks blaringly obvious to me.


Say we give Ogre the benefit of the doubt and let the townie assasian take him out tonight. What then?



The people who I think haven't brought much to the table and I would like to hear more from:

Coler
Kash
Rich
JM
Rocker

All seem to be hiding in the background. All seem to not have much to say on any of the events that are going on.

 

[Coler]

ok... so by chance, I read Ogre's suggestion to read those who have been pushing on him the hardest. The first thing I did was look to see who voted for him. Me, Pappy, Annie (at one point), and Coler voted for him last night. So, my thought is Annie changed votes in order to stop the tie in order to save himself... fine, not excuseable but I will get back to him later. Coler though, Coler votes for Ogre last night. In the first quoted post above, he makes his vote and says he probably wont be back.... then, the very next post, says how Phoenix iskinda ridiculous and claims he will vote "either" Phoenix or Ogre... well Coler, you "already" voted Ogre and you said you wouldn't be back (or probably wouldn't).... yet you posted relatively close to the call of nightfall, even in the middle of it...

so was this you, trying to be all over the place to make it appear as if you are "with the town"?

DD this is seriously a load of nonsense. Lets deal in facts :

1. I voted Ogre.
2. I did indeed almost immediately indicate that I would also be happy to vote for Phoenix.

Pause here and consider what could possibly be the problem with that ?

3. I posted in fact in the middle of nightfall having indicated that I probably would not be back before nightfall.

Pause here and note the fact that I was correct in my belief that I would probably not be back before nightfall.

This last line of your post :

"so was this you, trying to be all over the place to make it appear as if you are "with the town"?"

What does this even mean ? I've read your post over and over again, and even answered it now, and I still can't see what you're trying to pull together into a query/case/accusation.

 

[Coler]

Who really pushed for your death?? Jpap, our mayor? Annie, whom you came back and didn't want anyone to follow your vote on?? Me?? I am just stating what looks blaringly obvious to me.


Say we give Ogre the benefit of the doubt and let the townie assasian take him out tonight. What then?

You are presuming their is a townie assassin ?

Whatdya mean 'give him the benefit of the doubt and let the townie assassin take him out ? How is that giving him the benefit of the doubt ?

Confused...

The people who I think haven't brought much to the table and I would like to hear more from:

Coler
Kash
Rich
JM
Rocker

All seem to be hiding in the background. All seem to not have much to say on any of the events that are going on.

Meh...I said I was under pressure in real life at the start of the game...I voted Ogre last night (who we I think tend to agree has a laaaaaaaaaaaaaarge dose of scumminess about him) and would have been equally happy on Phoenix - who was scum. I don't accept that I'm hiding in the background.

 

[Luvbugz]

I believe there is some sort of town assassin working for us since there was a hit on JL last night. I assume there is also a serial killer running loose since Jpap was hit last night (could have been two KGB assassin which we ended up taking one out).

 

[Dangerdoll]

Coler, you say you were willing to change your vote, yet you say you wouldn't be back before night call... which is it?

and by all over the place I meant you were so loose ended in who you were voting for and then "willing to vote for".... saying you are voting Ogre and wont be back yet you are willing to change your vote.... then you arent back, ok fine.... but you are here BY nightcall... so... things are adding up, sure but adding up to making sure you have your eggs in several baskets.... just in the case you need to stand up for yourself, you can always say well, I said this for that and that for this.... you had a little too much going on in your posts that were all over the place and I am only talking about these 2 posts..... I haven't even thought of your dancing posts

 

[OgreMkV]

The town's assassin(s) don't have to kill me... with twice as many lynch votes as anyone else, they won't have to will they?

Now, a couple of points that I think may have been missed in the whole "lynch Ogre scenario'.

Kash's role has not been revealed. She was not demon possessed. However, that doesn't mean she's just an innocent townie. There are several other possible roles for her. She said 'I'm exposed', but only as a townie.

So there are two players that I trust as of right now. DD and Kash. There is (presumably) another player that I can trust, but has not (and should not) reveal themselves. I say 'as of right now' because we don't know if there are any turns involved in the game. I don't think that there are (at least with Jpap ring gone) so unless further evidence shows itself, they are safe.

AnniesNotOK
Coler
DangerDoll - exorcist (for today, innocent)
Dirty Dawg
Ice
JM
JohnL - dead KGB
JPappy - dead Mayor
Kash - innocent (PR or not)
LuvBugz
Ogre
Phoenix - dead KGB
Rich
Rocker
ZSand

Now, both John and Jpap were killed not by lynching. There are at least two good guys that can kill during the night.

One took out John (KGB) and the other took out Jpap (Mayor). The line from Wycco's post says SPECIFICALLY "The town is not shy about using their powers". Now, I'm taking it with a grain of salt that Wycco is meaning the good guys here and not the bad guys. town generally refers to the innocents and good PRs. I happen to know this is the case, but well... it involves some logic and another rather embarrassing incident...

Out of 12 left, we have two known innocents (known to everyone), one may still have a PR.

Out of the remaining 10, I hope that there is another CIA agent out there. We also have another townie that can kill (one shot or many?).

We also have some Lead demon (per DD) and presumably some follower types (or does the Lead demon cause turns)?

There are two further options with that
a) 1 Lead demon and 1 exorcist
b) multiple demons and multiple exorcist types

If a, we're in trouble because the demons are probably recruiters. If b, then we're not out of the woods yet.

Now, some other information was revealed. I can't communicate. DD couldn't communicate. So, hopefully the bad guys can't communicate either.

That's as far as the logic train has gone at this point. I'm hoping that something interesting will turn up and I'm looking at a few things to see if there are any clues.

Thanks for reading...

 

[Coler]

I believe there is some sort of town assassin working for us since there was a hit on JL last night. I assume there is also a serial killer running loose since Jpap was hit last night (could have been two KGB assassin which we ended up taking one out).

The question (unaswered) was really how you can say 'give Ogre the benefit of the doubt and let the town assassin kill him'.

Coler, you say you were willing to change your vote, yet you say you wouldn't be back before night call... which is it?

and by all over the place I meant you were so loose ended in who you were voting for and then "willing to vote for".... saying you are voting Ogre and wont be back yet you are willing to change your vote.... then you arent back, ok fine.... but you are here BY nightcall... so... things are adding up, sure but adding up to making sure you have your eggs in several baskets.... just in the case you need to stand up for yourself, you can always say well, I said this for that and that for this.... you had a little too much going on in your posts that were all over the place and I am only talking about these 2 posts..... I haven't even thought of your dancing posts

Utter bunk - asked and answered.

re dancing posts - get a life.