local water company treatment - chlorine or chloramines?

sushiray

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Just an FYI to members who may not be aware of this. I just checked my local water co. & we are lucky to use the same water source as NYC, had been voted one of the top 3 in best tasting waters in the U.S! They don't plan on changing to Chloramines anytime soon. but do read this for your edification. I use Prime as highly recommended by many members.

"With many municipal water systems switching over to Chloramines, your present chlorine removal agent can become obsolete overnight! Many areas of the country have plans to switch, or have already switched to chloramines, due to federal guidelines relating to water sanitization. There is no notification requirement regarding any impending switchover, though some water companies have begun educating customers.

Chloramines are very stable antiseptics that act more slowly than chlorine but remain active for longer in water. Chloramines are generally prepared from chlorine and ammonia (one-quarter to one-half as much ammonia as chlorine) or ammoniac salts.
Chloramines are much more stable (lasting weeks) than chlorine and can provide a reservoir or bank of chlorine making it a more reliable sanitizer while also reducing the presence of suspected carcinogenic or mutagenic disinfection oxidative byproducts known as Trihalomethanes (THMs) .

Conventional Chlorine removers will break the bond between Chlorine and Ammonia leaving free Ammonia. Ammonia is very harmful to gill tissue and damage is cumulitive throughout the life of the fish. While biological processes (filtration) can reduce the free ammonia levels in your aqaurium (if using a conventional chlorine removal product), your fish are still exposed to these high levels of ammonia for the duration of the nitrification process of ammonia-nitrite-nitrate. To insure the lowest exposure levels for your fish choose a water conditioner specifically designed to remove chloramines and not just one which breaks the bond of Chlorine/Ammonia. If the product does not say “Removes Ammonia” then it is probably only breaking the bond and not removing Chloramines-Ammonia. Also remember, Chloramine sanitized water cannot be aerated or aged to provide fish safe levels as is sometimes done with Chlorine treated water."
 
Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think there are any conditioners that remove chloramine. The reason it is being substituted in water treatment is because it is a more stable molecule (and does not dissipate). I'm pretty sure anything that states that it treats chloramine will just be breaking bonds.
 
I use an unconventional dechlor ...

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think there are any conditioners that remove chloramine. The reason it is being substituted in water treatment is because it is a more stable molecule (and does not dissipate). I'm pretty sure anything that states that it treats chloramine will just be breaking bonds.

I just use a vitamin C tablet. I have a small mortar pedestal to powder the tab. This URL:

http://www.sfwater.org/Files/FAQs/removal.pdf

It is put out the the "San Francisco Public Utilities Commission." A google search will provide you with many references to the neutralization of chloramine with vitamin c.

I choose vitamin c because it provides a bit of carbon for the plants. At least one product which claims to be a carbon source for aquarium plants uses vitamin c as its' active agent for this purpose.

There are also references to its' power to boost the Krebs Cycle. They are interesting to view, google will guide you.

If I am not mistaken, vitamin c will also neutralize chlorine. However, first double check that with information from a source you trust, google will guide you ... as with anything you read in forums.

Regards,
TA
 
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I don't know what my water supplier uses but if I test my tap water it has ammonia in it . Could this mean they use chloramines or could there be ammonia when they use chlorine also ? I do notice the water doesn't smell like chlorine anymore and it tastes better than it did years ago.

I use prime and after testing the water in the tanks ammonia goes to zero in a day.
 
I don't know what my water supplier uses but if I test my tap water it has ammonia in it . Could this mean they use chloramines or could there be ammonia when they use chlorine also ? I do notice the water doesn't smell like chlorine anymore and it tastes better than it did years ago.

I use prime and after testing the water in the tanks ammonia goes to zero in a day.

Good question, I'd like to know about that, I'll see what I can find on google. When I lived in another town where chloramines where used, there was no ammonia in the water ... I have well water now. No chlorine at all!

Regards,
TA
 
Chloraminated water will test positive for ammonia if using an API type test. The Seachem test will only show NH3, not NH4+ (ammonium). Prime converts the harmful NH3 to NH4+, safe for fish under pH of 7 (or maybe a bit higher, I"ve read different things).

Sodium thiosulphate, used in many dechlor products, breaks the chloramine bond but doesn't convert the ammonia to ammonium. A healthy biofilter can break down the ammonia but fish will be stressed until it does.

My water co. uses chlorine but "chloramines can form in the distribution process".

Just use Prime.
 
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