6 yr old in runaway hot air ballon

[bluekrissyspike]

I have always found, that personal experience, education, place of birth, etc. influences ones' views, understanding and methods implemented in life, in such matters. Or, in effect, it is blatantly obvious that someone raised in a low-income housing project, and working at a near minimum wage job,will have a much differing understanding of the world than say a college professor from MIT, Yale, Princeton (nothing meant to be inferred by this particular example--it just provide a MOST DRAMATIC EXAMPLE of the point I wish to make.)

So, people with little education and working as public servants will have a much different take on "proper action(s)", punishments and "fairness", than say, the "thinkers" and those who have made lifelong studies of ethics, morals and "likely results."

I have had the best experiences in life from "hanging around" people of higher education, great tolerance, understanding, compassion, forgiveness, etc. I have always intuited that people who tend to jump to severe, dramatic, intense and "draconian" actions, punishments, and views of fairness, tend to come from backgrounds of mistreatment, abuse, unfairness, poverty, etc.

I admit, these are only my personal experiences and "life experiences" which have lead me these conclusions--which may, or may not be, correct.

In any given situation, I tend to like to ask myself, "What would Jesus do?" I just end up sleeping better, at night ...

Regards,
TA

are you inferring that i am an uneducated public servant? and that because i think there should be consequences to pulling a hoax like this off that my views are draconian? i sure hope not. your POV is just different than mine and it has nothing to do with my being a 'thinker' or not, thank you very much. sorry, i don't think it's fair for the tax payers to have to foot the bill for this families issues. i do have a lot of compassion and understanding but there has to be a point where a line is drawn that shows this type of behaviour isn't tolerable. i don't think that paying back what was spent because of their hoax is intense or severe at all. that money was stolen from the system by their stunt, now if they had stolen something other than the resourses that they did, would they not be made to pay restitution for that? and on top of that some other punishment?

either way the family are looking at charges. i just saw on tv that the cps is trying to get the mother to leave him with the children and he will be facing several charges in relation to the hoax, and most likely some related to how he runs his family.

 

[TechAquaria]

are you inferring that i am an uneducated public servant? and that because i think there should be consequences to pulling a hoax like this off that my views are draconian? i sure hope not. your POV is just different than mine and it has nothing to do with my being a 'thinker' or not, thank you very much. sorry, i don't think it's fair for the tax payers to have to foot the bill for this families issues. i do have a lot of compassion and understanding but there has to be a point where a line is drawn that shows this type of behaviour isn't tolerable. i don't think that paying back what was spent because of their hoax is intense or severe at all. that money was stolen from the system by their stunt, now if they had stolen something other than the resourses that they did, would they not be made to pay restitution for that? and on top of that some other punishment?

either way the family are looking at charges. i just saw on tv that the cps is trying to get the mother to leave him with the children and he will be facing several charges in relation to the hoax, and most likely some related to how he runs his family.

I said what I meant, and meant what I said. Picking up my opinions, views, invitations to investigate them, etc., and pointing them at yourself, is entirely up to you--those words certainly did not come from me--indeed, there is even a disclaimer which, blatantly, states the point I was making. Why you would do such a thing puzzles me?

As I DID POINT OUT, how one interprets "things" depends on their personal life-experience, education, background, etc. Seems harmless enough to me ... perhaps I am mistaken; until I determine why my experiences and logic have been "fantasizes", I tend to trust them.

Regards,
TA

 

[jpappy789]

I said what I meant, and meant what I said. Picking up my opinions, views, invitations to investigate them, etc., and pointing them at yourself, is entirely up to you--those words certainly did not come from me--indeed, there is even a disclaimer which, blatantly, states the point I was making. Why you would do such a thing puzzles me?

As I DID POINT OUT, how one interprets "things" depends on their personal life-experience, education, background, etc. Seems harmless enough to me ... perhaps I am mistaken; until I determine why my experiences and logic have been "fantasizes", I tend to trust them.

Regards,
TA

So it's okay for you to generalize about a specific group of people but as soon as someone applies it to themself its not your problem? Nice...

 

[TechAquaria]

So it's okay for you to generalize about a specific group of people but as soon as someone applies it to themself its not your problem? Nice...

I think it is quite apparent what is going on here, simple paranoia.

Everyone can be tempted to jump to paranoid conclusions, I am no more immune to it than anyone else--someone yells "FIRE" and my heart steps up and my ability to make rational decisions/plans declines ...

For example (and, just another example to dramatically demonstrate possibilities), I could jump to the conclusion that ops and their "buddies" are banding together and conspiring towards "vigilante actions."

See how silly things can get when logic and rational thought don't prevail ...

Regards,
TA

 

[jpappy789]

Paranoia?

I'm at a loss for words right now...

 

[red_wall]

These are obviously horrible parents.
They might love their kids, but using them as publicity stunts is just plain wrong. Kids grow up to be what their parents are (in most cases). I just think It's sad that they had to be born to attention grappling imbeciles.

They also have a rap video, forced their kid to fake throwup on national TV (I think they did anyways, why have your child on TV if he isn't feeling well?), they were also on a TV show (wife swap?)


The youtube rap video (further proof of the parents attention for national recognition)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmlBPAY90MM

Throwup video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTa_Q0QggSk&feature=related


I just wish this crap would get off of the news, it's driving me insane.
Give the dad 10 lashes
The mom 3
And re-home the children.
Done.



** Just found this, don't know if it's legit or not, looks like it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTd7YmQgwYE

 

[Cheech]

I have always found, that personal experience, education, place of birth, etc. influences ones' views, understanding and methods implemented in life, in such matters. Or, in effect, it is blatantly obvious that someone raised in a low-income housing project, and working at a near minimum wage job,will have a much differing understanding of the world than say a college professor from MIT, Yale, Princeton (nothing meant to be inferred by this particular example--it just provide a MOST DRAMATIC EXAMPLE of the point I wish to make.)

So, people with little education and working as public servants will have a much different take on "proper action(s)", punishments and "fairness", than say, the "thinkers" and those who have made lifelong studies of ethics, morals and "likely results."

I have had the best experiences in life from "hanging around" people of higher education, great tolerance, understanding, compassion, forgiveness, etc. I have always intuited that people who tend to jump to severe, dramatic, intense and "draconian" actions, punishments, and views of fairness, tend to come from backgrounds of mistreatment, abuse, unfairness, poverty, etc.

I admit, these are only my personal experiences and "life experiences" which have lead me these conclusions--which may, or may not be, correct.

In any given situation, I tend to like to ask myself, "What would Jesus do?" I just end up sleeping better, at night ...

Regards,
TA

I agree with one part of your post. Personal experiences, culture, our surroundings, our friends, family, and the situations around each of us have helped to shape us into who we are, and have affected (either directly or indirectly) the way we see things.

However, I couldn't disagree with you more when you say that people with higher education have a better understanding of what is reasonable punishment... . There are scholars/philosophers who see life through many different perspectives... All over the world, there are incredibly intelligent people who have completely different views on what it "right or wrong" when it comes to moral and ethical choices we need to make.

On the other hand, I've met hobos on street corners that I could have a great conversations with, that I can learn from. Every single person has led their lives differently than anyone else, and these people have different experiences that either affected them in a good or a bad way. While some people with "higher education" may have read about different situations people are in, some of them will never have a first hand understanding of what it's like to live the life of people who make the decisions they do.

I've had conversations with my grandmother in Sicily, who hasn't had much schooling (if any at all), and now lives in the country with family. Some of the things she said in terms of how people treat others, and what's important in life, and how we need to understand people's differences without losing touch of what's important, blew me away.

On the other hand, I've spoken to some university grads where it seems like I'm talking to a brick wall, with no clue of real life experiences, and only gain their knowledge through the text books they've read in school, with zero personal experience. Where you can put them in a room with 4 people in it and they crawl up in a corner vbecause their social skills and their understanding of people in general is so small that they don't know how to engage in a conversation.

Whether it's a child, a hobo, a doctor, a factory worker, a police man, a priest, a politician, a mom, a dad, a republican, a liberal, etc etc etc, each one of those people have the potential of teaching you something great, maybe not when it comes to physics problems, but certainly when it comes to ethical and moral choices.

The idea is to grab the bits and pieces from each of these people and learn from them...



But yeah, I still think the dad's scum.

 

[SubRosa]

As long as people continue to care about and talk about this crap the father has won. He has achieved the goal which he was working towards. If you really despise him and his actions the best thing you can do to hurt him is forget him.

 

[bluekrissyspike]

I have always found, that personal experience, education, place of birth, etc. influences ones' views, understanding and methods implemented in life, in such matters. Or, in effect, it is blatantly obvious that someone raised in a low-income housing project, and working at a near minimum wage job,will have a much differing understanding of the world than say a college professor from MIT, Yale, Princeton (nothing meant to be inferred by this particular example--it just provide a MOST DRAMATIC EXAMPLE of the point I wish to make.)

So, people with little education and working as public servants will have a much different take on "proper action(s)", punishments and "fairness", than say, the "thinkers" and those who have made lifelong studies of ethics, morals and "likely results."

I have had the best experiences in life from "hanging around" people of higher education, great tolerance, understanding, compassion, forgiveness, etc. higher education has NOTHING to do with tolerance, understanding of any social aspects, compassion or forgiveness I have always intuited that people who tend to jump to severe, dramatic, intense and "draconian" actions, punishments, and views of fairness, tend to come from backgrounds of mistreatment, abuse, unfairness, poverty, etc.

I admit, these are only my personal experiences and "life experiences" which have lead me these conclusions--which may, or may not be, correct. What this statement is actually saying is that you feel you are better than these people and that it is therefor okay to judge them without repremand as long as you add a disclaimer. how do i know this? my unthinking and uneducated mind has a degree in social work and I majored in psychology....hmmm...

In any given situation, I tend to like to ask myself, "What would Jesus do?" I just end up sleeping better, at night ... Wasn't Jesus himself one of these uneducated people who by your own quote could not have been compassionate, and would have been unfair? i mean he was a simple tradesperson, wasn't he?

Regards,
TA

I said what I meant, and meant what I said. And it was not only rude but leaves you looking like a snob Picking up my opinions, views, invitations to investigate them, etc., and pointing them at yourself, is entirely up to you no, it was you who quoted me as an example of these 'unthinkers'--those words certainly did not come from me yes they did...i will highlight them for you--indeed, there is even a disclaimer which, blatantly, states the point I was making. that's nice, so we can say whatever we want while passing judgement on people now as long as we add to it that it's our opinion? Why you would do such a thing puzzles me?

As I DID POINT OUT, how one interprets "things" depends on their personal life-experience, education, background, etc. Seems harmless enough to me then don't use my quote as an example of uneducated because you are choosing the wrong person. being uneducated isn't what formed my views. ... perhaps I am mistaken; until I determine why my experiences and logic have been "fantasizes" for someone who is so educated, why are you using this word so wrongly? , I tend to trust them.

Regards,
TA

you can't just go around saying whatever you want. your posts make you look overly judgemental. of course if you quote someone and go on to say people with a different view from yours must be all those things you are going to be stepping on toes. someone who goes sooo far out of their way trying to make themselves look smart really should know that already though, right?

 

[psyche]

I had the best experiences in life hanging around may grandfather who was a miner, union leader, timberman, veteran, prizefighter and all around fascinating and wise character--and completely illiterate.