FX5 again 8^D, Now I have to sell my 404's!

CWO4GUNNER

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Comparing the job one FX5 does on one 80 tank compared to two of my 404's on the other 80 tank is very noticeable at feeding time. After dumping in bloody frozen foods with cloudy vitamin supplements the FX5 side is crystal in a couple minutes while the other twin 80 with the two 404's take much longer and never get quite as crystal. So now for the first time I'm going to sell my 404's on Zbay, the same place I just bought my FX5. Even though Im excited its not like me to buy something I can get by without and feel a bit like a squander, so I have to make it a wash by selling the 404's and learn how to sell on Zbay.:silly:

Anybody have a free copy of Video Professor LOL.
 
You could go with eBay. www.ebay.com There is also Aquabid, which is all fish related auctions and is free. http://aquabid.com/ I have used both and winning bids tend to run about the same. Rare items of historical interest such as antique auarium books and artwork may do better on eBay but it is really hard to predict. You also need an auction format, free ones here: http://auctionsupplies.com/templates/ photos of your item either stored on your computer or a service such as PhotoBucket.
 
its no surprise a FX5 out performs 2 404's the FX5 GPH exceeds the 404's and the 404 seems under powered my cascade 1200 canister out performed my 404. i sold all my canisters and have switched to wet dry filters and a HOT mag on each tank simple easy maintance im glad to be rid of all the canisters.
 
its no surprise a FX5 out performs 2 404's the FX5 GPH exceeds the 404's and the 404 seems under powered my cascade 1200 canister out performed my 404. i sold all my canisters and have switched to wet dry filters and a HOT mag on each tank simple easy maintance im glad to be rid of all the canisters.
I have three of the FX5's and four tanks with Mattenfilters. Both work really well, but a wet/dry does too. I like the wet/dry from Lifegard with the huge biowheel in it. Many advantages to the wet/dry, less disturbance to the fish when changing water, tank level always stays the same and the noise is under the tank behind doors. Biggest drawbacks are a high water evaporation rate and higher electrical consumption.
 
The only thing I really like about a sump is how easy they are to DIY. It seemed like a difficult task becasue you cant use cheap rectangular containers as sumps unless they are either round or of higher cost and quality as thin rectangle plastic is weak and will deform. But I figured out a way to make a wooden frame for the cheap plastic Sterilite boxes so I'm making a 15g sump tank with all the scaled inserts boxes for about $15.

Other then that I have new concerns about sumps becasue they are designed with so many bio-balls to cause de-nitrification turning nitrates into gas and if this doesn't happen as is the case with aquariums that have sand, nitrate can actually escalate out of control, and in fact I had a surprise with my 244 tanks which is usually low in nitrates at water change day, my nitrates were the highest they have ever been usually 20 PPM, last water change day 40 PPM and there is some thick brown stuff growing on my PS4 sump protein skimmer. I researched this and it is becasue I have thick sand which somehow depletes the bio balls of bacteria needed and instead of processing ammonia and nitrites it accumulates and stores nitrates between water changes which can release at any time in a crash cycle.

So to remedy this Im getting rid of the Bio balls and and any sponge and using other media like polyester, and organics like lava rock, but no more bio type media for the sump.

Besides all this becasue a sump is inherently designed for a salt aquariums requiring a skimmer, a skimmer as a collection device on a fresh water aquarium is very very inefficient IMO, and I have witnessed it first hand . If the 404 doesn't hold a candle to the FX5, a sump for a 100G freshwater aquarium no way out performs a 404, that is how feeble the intake is capturing allot of water from the wrong place IMO. However a sump has one very appealing point almost to a fault and that is that you can hook a cheap auto fill device to the sump using a simple 5g water bottle dispenser and it automatically keeps your large aquarium topped off for almost 2 weeks. To me that is motivation enough for me to DIY one, but their is no way I would use a sump in place of a canister on a freshwater tank. For salt water its a completely different story becasue a overflow skimmer is ideal for salt water due to the salt water's high density which suspends 90% of all its debris and protein on the surface ideal for skimmer collection, but completely moot on fresh which has very low density and suspends most of its debris deep below the water line out of reach of a overflow skimmer, and if you don't have an intake that can collects suspended debris effectively, you not filtering but 10-20% (tops) of tank debris over a very extended period of time.
 
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to each his own when it comes to filtering im quite satisified with my 1200GPH flow on my wet dry's and it works for me but what works for me doesnt always work for someone else. thats why there is so many choices out there find what works for you and enjoy the hobby.
 
CWO, I am interested in your DIY sump/wet-dry and would like to compare notes.....how is it set up?

I have a 200 gallon pre-drilled with an internal overflow. From the overflow chamber I have dual 1" pvc feeds to my sump. Attached to each 1" pvc I have 25 micron socks attached at the vertical input to the first chamber of the wet dry. The first chamber fills with water than spills onto a thin sheet of plexiglass mounted at a 30 degree angle. The plexi has multiple holes drilled so the water disperses equally in a continous trickle over my bio-balls. Underneath my Bio-media I have two airstones to keep my media healthy during water changes as well. The water then flows into the third chamber that houses my dual sumps that each run into an omni 5 micron filter. From there they go into a (2) 13w Uv and back into the tank.


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Always curious to see how other DIY's set theres up.

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FYI, I understand there is a G-series coming out sometime soon. I may have to sell my three FX'es then.


I would wait..

..those things look like the filter material is so unique you will be a slave to there replacement media forever... and at ~$400.... Fo-get-about-it...
 
Thanks nc0gnet0, part of the problem is that the sump Im currently using Tom Aquatics PS3 has a built in protein skimmer not being used creating stagnant water in the unused chamber now growing brown algae. Not surprised since it was designed for saltwater, this is what can happen.

I don't think Ill have this problem with my DIY Im planning to build as it will not have any stagnant Chamber and be designed for fresh water not salt water. It will have a deep intake tube to the over flow box not a skimmer. It will incorporate a siphon interrupter that brakes siphon if the inflow tube stops pumping water which will prevent flooding so no overflow is necessary and most importantly draw suspended debris necessary in a freshwater filter. Most importantly for my aquarium which has thick sand where the majority of my nitrifying bacteria reside so there will be no bio balls used just mechanical media. Lastly the auto fill system made up of a 5g sparklets bottle in a small ceramic dispenser on the floor coupled to the main sump tank to automatically maintain the level necessary to keep the pump primed and the aquarium filled. Not Nitrate build up should occur.

I have no issue with the sump filter, I think it great as designed for salt water but I think it needs to be modified for freshwater otherwise it is not very effective IMO at filtering properly, and under the wrong conditions can IMO cause nitrate problems. These issues easily resolved IMO is a great filter and economical filter providing both large surface area filtration and additional water volume to the tank.

Oh and of course the G series is already out and the design does not appeal to me but here it is if you need a source of supply.
http://www.petsolutions.com/Fluval-G-Canister-Filter+I15510410.aspx
 
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