Mafia 62- The Play

[IceH2O]

Thought it would be good to have the votes from both days in one spot.

I have not recieved a PM stating as much.

Dawg-0- Zaffy(#28)
Rich-0- ZS(#42)
Alex-0- Lab(#45)
Kash-0- Rich(#46)
Lab-3- JB(#47), JL(#139), Noods(#150), JL(#162), Dawg(#165)
Razz-0- Ag(#48)
Ice-0- Jpap(#53), Kash(#168)
Zaffy-0- Ice(#55)
JL-1- Mich(#57), Ag(#67)
Noods-0- Dawg(#66)
Ag-7- Ice(#70), Razz(#71), ZS(#147), Jpap(#157), Rich(#181), Kash(#200), DD(#203)
DD-0- Noods(#78)
Jpap-4- Zaffy(#109), Labby(#155), JB(#158), Ag(#189)

No vote from Alex.

DAY TWO

Jpap-0- Lab(#231)
Lab-4- JL(#243), Jpap(#252), Noods(#257), Ice(#310), ZS(#322), Noods(#327), Razz(#330), Rich(#422)
Ice-2- Dawg(#320), Mich(#392)
ZS-1- Zaffy(#350)
Noods-6- Lab(#365), JB(#369), Ice(#400), ZS(#408), DD(#414), Jpap(#426)
Razz-0- Jpap(#421)

 

[Lab_Rat]

I think the hit on Rich may lead to clues about who is scum. I can't see how Rich was really a threat to them, he hardly posted any theories. So who would feel threatened by him? It makes me think the team is fairly inexperienced.

It does bug me that Zaffy's tinfoil theory focuses soley on Z and doesn't give any other possibilities. Bugs me enough that he is no longer on my leaning innocent list.

 

[jpappy789]

I don't remember Noodles ever mentioning SK before this game and I'm pretty sure Z responded within this game as well...how would Annie have any clue as to who to pick for this "book club" team?

The fact that you're soley focused on Z and have nothing else worries me Zaffy.

 

[jpappy789]

I, for one, appreciate this and wish all mods will follow this simple rule. It muddies the waters for people to have to wonder if there are hand picked roles.

I will not hand pick roles. They will be assigned randomly when the player list is complete. I will NOT tweak the results.

From the after math of the gunslinger game

lol...after work tomorrow i will run the generator and send out the PM's......

Sorry to hear that Mad.

OK, thread is closed at 16 players. I'll run the random generator and start sending PM's

During the sign up thread.




So are you calling Annie a liar, Zaffy?

 

[jpappy789]

Leaning mafia
Razz-2
Zaffy-4
Michwol42795-4
JL-4
Still Unsure
ZSandman-5
Lab-5
Leaning innocent
Dawg-6
Ice-7
JB-7
DD-8

 

[Zaffy]

From the after math of the gunslinger game





During the sign up thread.




So are you calling Annie a liar, Zaffy?

Liar is a strong word, I didn't remember that he had that opinion about hand picking roles.

Besides, the word random is so subjective among this group I'd wonder if that even matters. Personally I think figuring out of the mod handpicks vs true random is interesting.

As far as my participation in this game, it is down this weekend, I've only had a small amount of time to read up in the thread. Tomorrow I'll be better, but Tuesday will be spotty.

 

[Lab_Rat]

I think use of a random number generator combined with Annie previously saying he would not tweek the results leads to random roles, by the strictist definition/interpretation of the word.

 

[jbradt]

It does bother me a bit that Z has been near non existent and that JB other then his case on Noods hasn't been much help either. JB has gotten his own lynched before with a distancing case,me for instance.
Just don't feel they would vote Noods since there isn't a Det to verify if good or evil.

Ice, while it's true that I did make a case against you when we were both evil, I think you picked up a lot of the load there yourself. :thumbsup: I sure didn't vote for you. And I don't think many people were even looking in Noods's direction until after I started calling her out. Labby called her out first, but that seemed pretty OMGUSY at the time, so I didn't really pay attention to her case. There are some pretty big distinctions between the two scenarios, and I think it's a little suspicious that you would try to equate the two.
Sorry if you don't feel like I've been much help. I do what I can with the time I have. I haven't had much recently.

Just don't feel they would vote Noods since there isn't a Det to verify if good or evil.

Actually this would be a perfect reason to vote off one of their own now that I've typed it out and seen the thought on paper.

Despite the creepy factor I associate with the first quoted post, this one is an example of why it's hard for me to have you as a suspect. You seem to be kicking bushes and throwing thoughts out there. I like that you've moved past the "poor me" bs and gotten into it. I'm still on the fence about you.

Now to go back and look at some others.

 

[jbradt]

You put out an apparent random vote on Ice and then call out Agas for being random. The more interesting part to me is he is not the only one who has admitted to choosing their vote randomly yet you singled them out.

Aren't most day 1 votes typically random anyway? Why does this cause red flags for you JPap and only for Agas apparently?

Dawg calls out Jpap early...

Thanks for the clarification. So what's your impression of Zaffy's random vote? He also states his vote is chosen at random.

Then lets it go.

I see something better. The post above is Noods only post nearly 24hrs into the game. She also states that she almost missed the game. Not very Noods like IME. Even if it's only to get her talking in her normal fashion...

I vote to lynch Noods

Dawg calls out Noods early...

See...I knew that would get you talkin' Noods :silly:

Then essentially lets it go. He hasn't retracted his vote yet, but there's no follow up questions, no real response at all.

JL, I agree that LR's vote on Alex seems suspicious. To vote for someone for being a low poster then follow that up by stating you have played with them before and are always a low poster just doesn't make much sense. If Alex turns up mafia I will actually find it more suspicious because I would think this to be distancing from a teammate when you know they will likely UD anyway. We'll have to see how that plays out though.

As I recall, this is in response to a random vote that was made after someone (I think Rich) called for random votes. It seems like a pretty extreme reaction here.

To the statement in bold above...

...telling us about Alex's style of play is not scummy but voting for him because he is playing the way you say he always does is scummy. Then retracting your vote because of the pressure is equally scummy. Then changing your whole philosophy and voting for the highest poster is scummy again. Since my vote for Noods was more to get her talking than anything else and the above statements have caused me to doubt LR even further then I already did...

I retract my vote for Noods and vote to lynch Lab Rat

That's the same thing Ag did. Are you going to call him scummy?
Dawg seems to be making this up. Again, as I recall Labby posted reasons for her suspicion of Jpap (the highest poster). Dawg seems to be asserting it's because of post count.

Put up some pics of your fish soon so I can pick which one I want when you're wrong. I know the odds are with me winning this bet


So I said I would reread and put up a list. I haven't totally reread yet but here goes in no particular order.

LR - For the same reasons as last night.

Razz - Still hasn't answered my question about the apparent slip up in saying sorry to Kash. Why didn't you say sorry to Alex? He was innocent too. Is it because you didn't have anything to do with them leaving the game?

For now that's my short list and if I had to pick one right now I'd go with Razz.

Ice has me a bit worried as he always does. I actually dropped him a bit on my list for now because of Kash being hit. After discussions from last game it seems like someone is trying to set him up for the lynch. I don't think that Ice would hit Kash. (Unless he thinks that we think that he wouldn't hit Kash because we think that he'd want Kash out for what she said about him last game...lol...this is my tribute to LG portion of my post :silly

To the bolded statement: :bs: The fact of the matter is you do have to pick one and you did it a little while ago.... (it was Labby).
The questioning of Razz has me a little concerned to. As earlier with Jpap, Dawg seems to be a little too concerned with Razz's apology to Kash. But he doesn't seem to be looking for meaning, he's interested in syntax. That screams scum to me.

I can see what you're saying Razz. I guess it's the wording that I'm hung up on. You didn't say "sorry to lose you" or "sorry to see you go" you just said sorry. I can see why you would just say "sorry" to Ag because you voted for them...but the Kash thing just has me wondering. You have nothing to be sorry to her about unless you had something to do with the hit. I'm done with this for now because I don't want to get too hung up on semantics of your wording.

Dude, get therapy... let it go.

What the hey...

I vote to lynch Ice for the BS posting

And after all that, Dawg votes for Ice. You seem to be all over the place here big guy.

Oh...and let me add that it's not just for the more recent BS...Ice has been playing strangely the entire game. Ice were you trying to get the doc to spill the beans earlier when you were asking them to protect you for no apparent reason?

Here Dawg brings up "Doctorgate"(tm). I still don't remember who brought this giant finger pointing clusterblank into being, but I'm going to find it before I go to bed.

It would be a tough call of when to pull the trigger but since it was close coming out close to night it would have only taken a couple of votes to save me at that point. If I saw my choices as certainly die or possibly die I would have taken possibly die even if it was 20min till nightfall. As you know a lot can happen in this game in 20min. Especially since most players are around close to nightfall. I'll show you in another post when I would have come out if I was the det. I understand it's a moot point but you brought it up.



It became an issue because Ice and JL made it an issue.

Here Dawg argues what he recognizes as a moot point, and states specifically that Ice and JL made "Doctorgate" an issue. It'll be interesting to see.

Wow! That's not what I expected to come back to but the snitch is gone and we have their list. The problem with the list is Noods could be the only mafia on it or they could all be mafia...which I doubt. Not sure if we can get any info from the list.

I'm too tired to be of any good tonight so I'll be checking in tomorrow morning.

Annie, can we assume Rich was an innocent townie with no PR?

Wow Dawg, you seem awfully excited to have a list that you say means nothing. The list seems useless to me, plain and simple.

Maybe I'm missing something here...can you explaing the comment in bold to me, Ice? Although I do agree that if there are mafia on Noods it was for distancing purposes and could be Lab, JB or even you (Ice)...but I highly doubt any of the last 3 on Noods were mafia.

I don't get this Dawg, and this one really sticks out to me. By the time the last 3 voted for Noods, enough had come off Labby to pretty much seal it. It wouldn't have cost anything for the last 3 to jump on the train. Hell, they wouldn't even have to pay for the ticket... just pitch in for gas maybe.

Noods voted for lab though, retracted and then went back to lab again. I need to look at that a bit more.

Never saw a follow up to this Dawg.

OK...even better. She could have been piled on because the mafia didn't know who she was which makes your first point about mafia not being on Noods a bunch of hooey. She also could have been investigated by the mafia.

????

What if on Noods list she put herself as the lone mafia which was required so as not to call out her "teammates"??

Perhaps the remaining 3 on the list are innocent? Tough to say at this point though.

Dawg still talking about the list he himself dubbed useless.

I vote to lynch Ice

He has been full of a lot of hooey in this game so far.

Dawg is set on Ice. Really dude, I say this because I like you: seek help! You seem to have this obsessive thing...

OK...I misread and now see that the mafia knew Noods as a teammate but not that she was the snitch my bad...and for now...

I retract my vote to lynch Ice (even though he seems to still be full of hooey )
I may be going back to Ice once I look a bit more.

The biggest problem I have here is the retraction. You seemed so sure, and if you may just go back anyway, why?

Now I need a smoke...

 

[jbradt]

Was going to be my question also.

I noticed I put 2 players as one in my post back there. I said Agi said something Alex was quiet twice when in fact it was Agi and Lab that said it.





Ok...so I've been thinking. I think the towns best option with me is to make me a pocket mafia. Don't follow my lead, take everything I say with a grain of salt. If we get down to only needing 1 or 2 mafia players to kill then take me out.

To put the mafia on edge I'm going to come out and say the Dr should protect me. This way if the mafia try to hit me and fail everyone knows I'm innocent. The Dr doesn't really need to protect me though because the mafia won't know if I'm protected or not.

Okay, so here's Ice's original, hotly debated statement. To me, this doesn't even suggest that the doc should protect Ice. It just says that he's throwing it out there.

I have to agree with this. If AG revealed himself the Doc could have protected from the hit. The Town lost a big PR last night. Hopefully we can recover from it.

I need to do some rereading before I put a list of suspects out there and I'm not around much today so I'll try to post something thia afternoon or evening if I can.

Dawg flubs... could be just mixed up vocab.

Ag was lynched not hit. Nothing the Dr could have done about it and I doubt any of us would have believed him.

I want to look back because I know someone else said something similar. I think you guys might be trying to put something into the Drs head to have them come out. The Dr can't protect themselves so that would be a huge mistake.

This is the first mention of someone accusing someone else of trying to lure the doc out as far as I can tell.

I never said anything about the doc coming out. If the det knew they were going to be lynched anyway what could it hurt for the det to come out and possibly save themselves????????

Dawg defends himself...

Oh...and let me add that it's not just for the more recent BS...Ice has been playing strangely the entire game. Ice were you trying to get the doc to spill the beans earlier when you were asking them to protect you for no apparent reason?

Now Dawg suggests Ice is baiting the doctor.

Explain to me how anything I asked the Dr to do would cause them to spill their role?



And thank you for your answers about Ag. I admit I probably wouldn't have believed them it being Day 1 but I might have taken the chance to let it slide at least another day.In case you wondered my vote would have moved to Lab.

opcorn:

The same way anything I asked the Doc to do would cause them to spill their role Thanks for asking...and for proving my point.

opcorn:

Not even close to the same Dawg.

What I asked for could be done without ever knowing who did it.

If what I said about your action was true it would have the Dr come out if they got a number of votes on them. Depending on the player it might be someone who panics and comes out to early and leaves themselves open to a hit since they can't protect themself.

Agi didn't have enough time to come out even if he wanted too, it was 45 minutes till night when the final run pushed him over the top.



Mich.... you're the only one not to give us a list......waiting for someone to send one to you to post?

Ice reasserts his statement that Dawg is trying to bait the doc.

Ice made the first accusation, but both have thrown it around like a frisbee. I'm tempted to call this distancing and lean both mafia. :lipssealedsmilie:

It's for sure though, that when it comes to baiting, both these guys are masters...