Are Water Changes Actually Necessary?

[johnlarson66]

I wish you both were in Fayetteville, NC.

Anyone local want to come do some WC, I will even feed you.

No stalkers or nut cases (noods) :grinyes:

 

[jpappy789]

:rofl:

 

[chefjamesscott]

Friend I LOVE doing wc.

I ask you to go to one of my other posts to see where the op refers that I have shown ammon can build up but not that it does. I really don't see how one can see concrete proof and then exclaim that there is no proof. That is base stupidity and it seemed willingly so. For a person to say he requires evidence and then ignore it or try to refute it when it is placed before them.

In a court of law if the op were a criminal being tried, he would have not only been convicted by msjinks first post, he would have be duely sentanced and incarcerated by the following posts that came after.

He has not a leg to stand on in his assertion that wc is not needed for there is more than ample people who have stood to show their proof and testify to it.

 

[chefjamesscott]

as I was trying to think of a way to put in simple form what I want to say this came to me.

Do you know what Fiduciary means and what a Fiduciary Trust is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiduciary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiduciary_trust

Ok its like this. The op is presented the Fiduciary about waterchanges, which is something responsible keepers hold as a trust. Then simply because the op does not like what he is being given in response to his request he tries his best to controvert the evidence to support his view.

Such can not be done for Fiduciary will always take precedence. And once a person is exposed to the Fiduciary nature of proper fish keeping, they will forever maintain some form of regular water changes unless they wish to void their conscience and intentionally harm other living creatures they have taken the charge over to care for.

Simple enough?

In simple terms Smells like a duck, Talks like a duck, Sounds like a duck, Looks like a duck- Is a duck and no matter how much you try to say it is a chicken it is still a duck.

 

[Stargazer53]

Who really likes to do water changes?

Me three. I carry the siphon around the house on water change days like it's my bible.

 

[NeonFlux]

Yes, I do water changes every 2 weeks.

 

[Cluunox]

Not a single bit of evidence has been given, even circumstantially, that actually supports generic water changes at a specific interval.

What we have is people arguing that conditions can exist that MIGHT call for water changes. Nobody ever denied that. But there's no reason to think that doing one every day or week, just because an amount of time has passed, is necessary.

The best anyone has proposed is that it's easier, for those who cannot be bothered with anything more complicated. And that's fine, but such people shouldn't go around telling other people that you MUST change ANY tank's water every N interval.

This is a case where you who claim otherwise must offer the proof. You are making the positive claim. Skeptics need not prove anything but that you have not given that solid proof.

If you were saying that a banana must be floated in any tank containing charicins, it would not be up to your opponents to prove that it is not necessary, but you to prove that it is. That is also the case, here.

The red states the OPs position. And he is correct. Even in everyones posts trying to prove him wrong everyone has given different time schedules and amounts of water changed for different tanks. Thus in the very arguments meant to prove him wrong we have proven that a specific amount of water changed on a specific schedule for all tanks regardless of type or compsition is not necessary.

I have 2 tanks and they need a WC at different times 1 every 4 days for nitrates because of few plants and a not so efficient filter one every 2 weeks because of lots of plants and little evaporation and yes because a WC is simpler than fixing the filter to account for everything if that is possible. I am almost sure all of you have similar situations with your multiple tanks and setups. I am also almost sure some do all tanks at the same time just because it makes it more efficient to do it all at the same time needed or not.

The blue states he never denied a WC may be needed just not a specific one size fits all tanks generic WC. Some may need changed on a short schedule of less than a week and some may be able to go months or more all depending on the specific needs of the aquarium and the fish keeper, such as if the fish keepr wants to be taking fish in and out of the tank regularly he may need to do regular WCs on all tanks to keep water parameters fairly close on all tanks that fish will be moved between.

From what I can tell most back and forth banter in this thread comes from someone getting thier feelings hurt because soemone has a differing idea of how a fish feels about how it is being treated than they do.

I saw emotional jabs coming from both sides and I hope in the future we can be a little more objective because if you read past all that there is some real good information in this thread from our people here just as we would expect from a group that cares about what they are doing as much as we know the members of AC do.

 

[johnlarson66]

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Simple enough?

In simple terms Smells like a duck, Talks like a duck, Sounds like a duck, Looks like a duck- Is a duck and no matter how much you try to say it is a chicken it is still a duck.

It tastes like chicken!



The title of the thread is "Are Water Changes Actually Necessary?"

I think people just don't like the question and don't want to have an open minded discussion about it.

Could less fish, larger tanks, live plants, certian substrate, better filtration and feeding less make it so water changes were a thing of the past?

Almost everytime I log onto AC I see an advertisment for something that says "No More Water Changes". Why not run a RO filter for an hour 3 times a week? Why not treat and filter the water that is in the tank already?

Is sending dirty tank water down the drain the best thing for our planet?

 

[Stargazer53]

I saw emotional jabs coming from both sides and I hope in the future we can be a little more objective because if you read past all that there is some real good information in this thread from our people here just as we would expect from a group that cares about what they are doing as much as we know the members of AC do.

I completely agree. There was really great information from both sides of the spectrum and I actually read through every page (30+). I do kind of feel sad that the OP may have abandoned the thread due to various reasonings; especially since I would have loved to see photos of his actual set-up(s). This thread was a very interesting read and the fact that it has received 5,000+ views shows that it garnered the interest of people alike. The original poster expressed his opinions; we expressed our personal ones as well. I just hope we all walked away with some sort of enlightment or affirmation of our individual practices. :dance2:

 

[chefjamesscott]

]It tastes like chicken[/SIZE]!- so does serpent!!



The title of the thread is "Are Water Changes Actually Necessary?"

I think people just don't like the question and don't want to have an open minded discussion about it.

Could less fish, larger tanks, live plants, certian substrate, better filtration and feeding less make it so water changes were a thing of the past?

ok I am not one who over stocks, I purposefully moved so that I have almost no tanks under 180g, the fish I keep eat and destroy live plants, I do not use gravel or other substrates that trap detrius I USE DEEP SAND but stilll that sand traps dangerous bacteria that must be removed by stiring the sand and then doing a really good series of waterchanges to remove the dissolved nasties, I over filter my tanks by 150-400% my 230g infront of me is filtered as if it were a 550g tank, I do not over feed but do my best to make sure food does not hit the bottom of the tank i take my time feeding my fish and watch them when they lose immediate interest in the food I stop feeding unless I am planting food for bottom dwellers.

You forgot the concept of overheating the tank and so causing bad quality of water.

About filter media I personally use a thing called chemi pure and the like.

Will water changes be a thing of the past I think not because the chemical composition of poop and pee will most certainly not change! Nor will the proven chemical processes that take place as these substances dissolve in the water and such.

Yet one thing, not everyone has the needed $ to do as I have outlined above.

Almost everytime I log onto AC I see an advertisment for something that says "No More Water Changes". Why not run a RO filter for an hour 3 times a week? Why not treat and filter the water that is in the tank already?

Standing water is simply that standing water it begins to lose its ability to sustain life. Does giving a cadaver a new hair cut make it look better, does putting a fresh suit of clothing on it prevent the natural decay it goes through after death?

Is sending dirty tank water down the drain the best thing for our planet?

ahahhahahahhahah
THAT IS THE MOST LAUGHABLE ? I HAVE EVER SEEN POSED

It is an absolute fact that the water changed out from a fish tank causes fantastic growth in plants and such.

To prove this, I happen to have a palm that I was recently given by a university student that was well nigh dried arrangement status. I have begun to water it as I do water changes with the water that goes down and the drain and guess what it has begun to flourish.

What of my philedendron at home that I have placed the trailers from into a tank hmmm the nutrients have brought great life to this plant . :werd: