Mafia #64 ? Cabin Fever - The Play

[Fishfriend1]

I dont have notes this time, im to lazy. I retract my vote I may vote for rich because he has made himself almost unseen, just like a bad guy would want.

 

[RazzleFish]

OK, so I just read from my last post. Terrible night! Maybe it's just because to me, it didn't happen all that long ago, but I have a hard time getting over FF's giving up thing. He did the same thing last game (to a greater extent) but I think he started to give up and caught himself before he went over the edge. I am also concerned about Tex. I don't like his/her vote and leave style of playing. I think there may be a vet behind them, telling them not to give out any more than they need to. It is making it hard to tell where they stand. I am going to wait and see what happens and my vote may end up on one of them.

 

[Fishfriend1]

I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

1= innocent 10= scumbag

Annie- 1
Dag- 5
Rich- 5
Dawg- 5
DD- 5
JL- 6
Texas-7
Razz- 7
FF- 7
Kash-8
Ice- 8
Wiz- 8

Not hard at all really.



I think you mean you vote to banish me John, but I hope you'll reconsider.

What are your thoughts on the players on my suspect list?

I think that the very fact that some people are low on the radar should make them go up...

 

[Fishfriend1]

OK, so I just read from my last post. Terrible night! Maybe it's just because to me, it didn't happen all that long ago, but I have a hard time getting over FF's giving up thing. He did the same thing last game (to a greater extent) but I think he started to give up and caught himself before he went over the edge. I am also concerned about Tex. I don't like his/her vote and leave style of playing. I think there may be a vet behind them, telling them not to give out any more than they need to. It is making it hard to tell where they stand. I am going to wait and see what happens and my vote may end up on one of them.

Yep, i almost gave up again, but dicided not to at the last minute (actualy about 30-45 min later, after i had thought for a little)

I totally agree, he still hasn't answered my "have u played b4 on another forum" question, starting to get annoying...

 

[Fishfriend1]

Notes on mafia 6… um whatever we are on now.

I think that Rich is hiding, mostly because I can find almost no meaningful post or votes, he just sorta tagges along, or goes and hides somewhere.

Tex is getting on my nerves; he still won’t answer my question… He is on my SCUM LIST

Kashta… well I think she and wiz are in communication they are also on my SCUM LIST

I really don’t thing Dag has actually done anything scummy… wow. I think ill just let him be a townie.

Ice is just at the border for the possibly scummy, just gut here not really logical.

AnniesNotOk is very high on the SCUMM LIST, mostly for the list that she came up with. Only herself as innocent, and then just having everyone else with a min of 50% scum.

IF I HAVE FORGOTTEN SOMEONE THEN I DON’T THINK THEY ARE EVEN IN MY AREA.


SCUM LIST!
Tex
Rich
Annie
Kashta
Wiz
Ice
Dag
The rest of u


Of course I don’t think im evil, knowing what I do, so I just left myself off the list.

Also I made this in about five min, so I may have forgotten key info for people not mentioned. If you were not mentioned then you are safe and should try to stay off my radar.

 

[Fishfriend1]

PS that is in the order of most (top) to least (bottom)

 

[IceH2O]

1st off I retract my vote on FF

Ice, thanks for asking I was actually going to bring that up along with another rule that got lost in the change over.

1)The evil team still has hits if the madman dies but must all pm me their choice. If one doesn't then they are s.o.l.
2)If the det investigates the doc they can communicate. In the other game I had the bartender and bellhop communicating but that doesnt do much good for the town.

That should be everything, and I apologize for forgetting these things in the rules. I'll make sure to clarify if anything else is asked.

I want to remind everyone since this isn't in the rules that the Dr and Det can communicate if the Det finds the Dr

FF... you copied and pasted Kash's post and inserted your thoughts?

When I saw that I had mee mee flashbacks lol

ahh yes i would apologize for that beer selection as well, not to mention the bartel and jaymes :nono:

:iagree:

Since lab rat was innocent, that means my whole suspect list is crap. So I needed to reevaluate and figure out what i'm missing. This being Day 1 posts, that might not get me anywhere.. but I still have to give it a shot.

If Lab Rat had been evil, my top suspects would have been Zaffy, DD, Dag, and Annie because I felt someone among those names was working to prevent Lab from being banished. The fact that Lab was telling the truth and a townie means she was not communicating with either of these people. We know Zaffy was innocent too. So that leaves DD, Dag, and Annie for me to reconsider now. Their opposition to banishing Lab Rat was either genuine (if they honestly believed her innocent) or out of convenience (if they as accomplice wanted to appear somewhat cleared once her role was revealed).

Zaffy's seeming defense of Lab Rat made him seem scummy to me.. as was his lone vote on Ice. I don't believe Zaffy expected to get hit tonight either... the madman choosing him was a pretty smart move by the scum team. Zaffy was in a position to get himself lynched had Lab Rat flipped evil because he'd gone to bat for her so openly in the thread... and he wasn't posing a traceable threat to the madman based on his post content. So Zaffy was a rather strategic kill as a townie who was unlikely to get himself lynched anytime soon once Lab was revealed as innocent. He was also not very vocal by comparison and, therefore, wasn't likely to draw protection against their kill attempt. Someone on the evil team knows what they're doing, be that the madman themself or a well trusted accomplice. (Sure wish we knew if the accomplices were all volunteers or if they were selectively recruited on Day 1 by the madman.) ** Note -- Adding here that we now know the town's doctor just got recruited by the madman as an accomplice. Someone who was innocent and a townie PR on Day 1 is now working against the town. And it means a regular townie just got promoted to a PR.

The fact that the madman didn't kill someone like me, Ice, Dawg, or JL the first night also suggests that one of us is either a madman/accomplice... or... that we're so off-track with our suspects that keeping us alive another day benefits the scum side more than killing us would. Plus, it's usually just a matter of time before we'll turn on each other (if innocent), which only helps to further confuse the town. Each of our posts were rather definitive and we're well known for getting hit by the mafia, working hard to dig up clues that lead to the scum, and being rather difficult to lynch (or banish) for making bonehead mistakes.

DD - Is quite a savvy player who often gets killed easily the first day. As she disagreed with my/our suspicion against Lab Rat, I'm prepared to drop her as one of my top suspects.. for the present time. The position DD took opposing Lab Rat's banishment seems/feels sincere in retrospect and outweighs the case I believed I had against her over her reaction to my posts.

Dag - As a noob to our game, he's hard for us to read. Combine that with his relation to Lab Rat makes this even more difficult. Don't know what his actual game experience is but he seems to be pretty smart, based on the posts he's made. I'm not going to assume though that he's communicating offline with Lab Rat (as JL has suggested a number of times about me and Wizard).

Annie - Was a suspect of mine because he's virtually inactive in this game.. and his similar position to Dag and Zaffy where Lab Rat was concerned. Someone who might rather volunteer for an accomplice role so he'd have someone to communicate with.

Wizard - JL keeps suggesting that Wizard was following my lead this time and he's hinted that we're working together outside the game. Whatever role Wizard has this time, I have no idea. I know the man well in everyday life but Wizard is also very smart and he understands this game very well. I expect he'll be quite good at this on his own... but I've not played with him or against him in this game setting enough that I can read him yet.

Rich - Better than just about anyone at lying low and staying under the radar in this game. That makes him a very good choice either as the madman or someone the madman might have recruited.

FF - Seems to be all over the place and his nonsensical posting resurfaced as soon as nightfall was over. This doesn't reassure any of us about him being pro-town in any way. FF seems (again) to crave our attention more than anything else and I don't believe he actually cares which team wins. The scum side is communicating this time (FF was non-communicating evil in his last game). If he's evil, I don't see that his teammates would sit by watching him post the comments he made tonight, so it's really anyone's guess which team FF is on.

Tex - Has made something of a spoiler of himself, posting disparaging remarks. Definitely not a pro-town person and he probably isn't taking this game seriously. This seems to be a joke to him or something he's joined to pass the time. As an evil, he's playing a laughable game so I don't see him volunteering for the role or being chosen by the madman.

Razz - Totally non-productive in the game, whether he's innocent or evil. Not much use speculating about him, at this point.

I remember in one of my earlier games when DD was being lynched early on. Just before nightfall, she told us to not get caught up in all the little details and look at the overall picture instead. That was very good advice at the time in that game and it's something I try to remember for the rest of them. The best way I've found of doing that is to set aside what people say in their posts and look (more objectively) at voting patterns and such.

This being the first night and faced with 3 dead innocents... we still have very little to go on. But I've looked hard at where the votes fell to make an early estimation of role based on some generalities. Might as well, since my top suspect turned out to be innocent and the others I was leaning as most likely madman/accomplice were largely based on Lab being scum.

We don't know exactly how many evils there were yet before nightfall ended. I would expect whoever they were.. they would likely have scattered themselves among the top 3 candidates up for banishment, instead of all piling on just one.

From tonight's vote...

5 FF - JL Rich DD Dag Lab

Of the 5 votes on FF, we know Lab was innocent. I'm less inclined right now to suspect DD or Dag. That leaves either JL or Rich as likely evils from these players.

6 Lab - Kash Wiz Tex Dawg Ice FF

Of the 6 votes on Lab Rat, I'd probably pick Wizard, Dawg, or Ice over either Tex or FF right now. I can't tell if Wizard is fooling me/us in this game, so I'm no help trying to sort that out. If that's what he needed to do because of the role he was assigned, he'd be good at it. Dawg and Ice are also excellent scum candidates at any time. I'd guess at this point that either one or two of these 6 names are evils.... it's highly unlikely that all 6 of these people are townies. (And yes, to those of you who want to suspect me for being the first vote on Lab.. feel free.)

1 Ice - Zaffy

Zaffy held onto his lone vote against Ice. I'll have to go back through the thread to re-read the case he presented against Ice now that I know Zaffy was innocent and see who else was either suspecting Zaffy or disagreeing with his posts.

2 Tex - Annie Razz

Two votes stayed on Tex. Either of those could be evil or innocent. Since they didn't vote with the others, I'll lean both of them as suspicious.

So what does all this tell me? Not a whole lot... yet. But as an early stab at Day 1 vote analysis, this is what I came up with.

Town - Lab, Zaffy, Zsand.
Unknown - Dag, DD.
Scummy - Tex, FF.
Top suspects based on votes - Wiz/Dawg/Ice (voted Lab), JL/Rich (voted FF), Annie/Razz (voted Tex).

I'm going to pick this apart when I get back on later.Something isn't right.

That makes no sense, Fish. If DD knew Lab was innocent, DD has to be evil. None of the innocents on Day 1 know anybody else's role. Only the evil team knows who all the innocents are.

Kash you did a very scummy thing here. You took part of a post and twisted it to make a point.

Do you really not understand what FF said here?

" I think that DD may have voted for someone other then lab because she knew lab was an innocent, witch would take her off the radar. the same can be said for anyone who didn't vote for lab. "


Its the 1st logical thing FF has said the entire game. He isn't saying she is innocent. He is saying she is evil and didn't want to lynch an innocent as could be said about anyone not voting Lab.


I posted earlier something about Kashs post doesn't sit right. I'll be back later to post what I think.
I'll get to your list to Annie.

 

[IceH2O]

Kash you did a very scummy thing here. You took part of a post and twisted it to make a point.

I meant to delete this part. I had thought Kash had highlighted part of a post but she had only highlighted the part FF posted added on to hers.

 

[Fishfriend1]

HOLY **** I FORGOT DD LOL

NEW SCUM LIST!
DD
Tex
Rich
Annie
Kashta
Wiz
Ice
Dag
The rest of u

 

[Fishfriend1]

In light of that I vote to banish DD