Mafia #64 ? Cabin Fever - The Play

^^ Adding to the above... we also know at least one (possibly two or all three) of the accomplices now as of Day 2 were regular townies still on Day 1. Their votes at nightfall would still have been made based on pro-town viewpoints but their voting after Day 1 would fall against the town.

Are you a skimmer or so caught up in your own case building world planning the lynches of people that you aren't paying attention?

Correct, if the madman recruited a player they could not join until after nightfall.

Kash...This means anyone that volunteered WAS with the Madman the 1st day,recruits came after Night Fall


For crying out loud, Fish, trying to make sense out of your posts is like trying to round up a bunch of cats. I read that to mean DD (as an innocent) didn't think Lab Rat was evil so she didn't vote her. And you applying the same (so-called) logic to anyone else who didn't vote Lab. That's why I pointed out the flawed reasoning because none of us "know" another person's role unless we're evil.

Now you're saying the opposite in DD's case AND you're voting her.

You really need to isolate people better than this and base your judgements on each person separately. To suggest "everyone" voting this way or "everyone" not voting that way is just being foolish. The real truth of the matter is most likely... some townies and some evils voted for so-and-so while some townies and some evils.. didn't.

Really you didn't understand what he said? I think you didn't want to understand..
 
I was going to pull Kashs post apart and break it down but after reareading it there is no reason. It says a whole lot of nothing.
 
I think your really grasping at straws here. I didn't vote Lab, does that make me evil? I was fine with your answer up until you said "that means she is evil." I am not saying that she is innocent but maybe she didn't think Lab was the best choice.

As many of the other players know, I have a hectic schedule. I usuall cannot get online until after 3 or 4 pm. Honestly, I hate day one (I think you know why) and I feel it is a waste of time to try to pry at things that aren't there. I mean, look how night 1 turned out.

OK sorry
 
Yes, I'm sure you do find that rather scummy indeed. I'd have no trouble voting for you at this point. I believe you, Ice and the Wiz are all scumbags, with Razz tossed in there for good measure.

Is Ice the Madman? Methinks he is. Just a feeling.



Yes, it does seem a little scummy. I wonder how many will use that as their excuse to vote for me.

Shenanniegans (TM)



No, I meant to vote for Ice. I was trying to be a drama queen. I suspect Kash and Ice fairly equally at this point, but something in my gut says Ice may be in charge of the scumbags. I would change my vote to Kash or Wiz.



I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

1= innocent 10= scumbag

Annie- 1
Dag- 5
Rich- 5
Dawg- 5
DD- 5
JL- 6
Texas-7
Razz- 7
FF- 7
Kash-8
Ice- 8
Wiz- 8

Not hard at all really.



I think you mean you vote to banish me John, but I hope you'll reconsider.

What are your thoughts on the players on my suspect list?



Sounds like a good idea FF. Know what would be good right now? If you posted your notes like you did last game. Some of those posts really cracked me up man.


So Annie.If the team is Me Kash Wiz and Razz that means FF and Tex are innocent. So why in the world would 3 of us pile on the 1 innocent that would die?

What makes Dawg a 5? He voted Lab along with your 8's.
Why is FF and Tex a 7? I thought the team was Me Kash Wiz and Razz?
Why did Tex go from being your vote to now just a 7? Not a safe place to hide today?


Know what I think Annie?

The team is actually you Razz Wiz and Kash.


I'm thinking since only 1 player had to be recruited that Kash and Wiz put in for accomplices or 1 of them is the Madman and told the other to put in for accomplice so they could communicate. Last choice would be 1 of them was chosen last night. Wizs 1st invest last game was Kash so they could communicate.

I'm not positive about the above post but Wiz is following just like in last game and Kash is saying a lot of nothing.
 
^^ Adding to the above... we also know at least one (possibly two or all three) of the accomplices now as of Day 2 were regular townies still on Day 1. Their votes at nightfall would still have been made based on pro-town viewpoints but their voting after Day 1 would fall against the town.

We also know that everyone that asked to be evil is in fact evil.
 
I think that DD may have voted for someone other then lab because she knew lab was an innocent, witch would take her off the radar. the same can be said for anyone who didn't vote for lab.


That means she is evil.

BTW you really would help the town by posting more.

Razzle has moved onto the list for underposting, he can still pull out though, just has to post a good solid reason for not posting a lot day 1 and increasing his pots day 2.
ummm.... FF.... I wasn't the only one who didn't vote for Lab and yes, I already said I wasn't convinced that she was mafia and between the two of you, I had more of a feeling on you. Yes, I initially voted Kash but I changed my vote because it was not doing the town good by remaining alone... so... that makes me mafia? I am not getting your logic....
 
Since lab rat was innocent, that means my whole suspect list is crap. So I needed to reevaluate and figure out what i'm missing. This being Day 1 posts, that might not get me anywhere.. but I still have to give it a shot.

If Lab Rat had been evil, my top suspects would have been Zaffy, DD, Dag, and Annie because I felt someone among those names was working to prevent Lab from being banished. The fact that Lab was telling the truth and a townie means she was not communicating with either of these people. We know Zaffy was innocent too. So that leaves DD, Dag, and Annie for me to reconsider now. Their opposition to banishing Lab Rat was either genuine (if they honestly believed her innocent) or out of convenience (if they as accomplice wanted to appear somewhat cleared once her role was revealed).

Zaffy's seeming defense of Lab Rat made him seem scummy to me.. as was his lone vote on Ice. I don't believe Zaffy expected to get hit tonight either... the madman choosing him was a pretty smart move by the scum team. Zaffy was in a position to get himself lynched had Lab Rat flipped evil because he'd gone to bat for her so openly in the thread... and he wasn't posing a traceable threat to the madman based on his post content. So Zaffy was a rather strategic kill as a townie who was unlikely to get himself lynched anytime soon once Lab was revealed as innocent. He was also not very vocal by comparison and, therefore, wasn't likely to draw protection against their kill attempt. Someone on the evil team knows what they're doing, be that the madman themself or a well trusted accomplice. (Sure wish we knew if the accomplices were all volunteers or if they were selectively recruited on Day 1 by the madman.) ** Note -- Adding here that we now know the town's doctor just got recruited by the madman as an accomplice. Someone who was innocent and a townie PR on Day 1 is now working against the town. And it means a regular townie just got promoted to a PR.

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DD - Is quite a savvy player who often gets killed easily the first day. As she disagreed with my/our suspicion against Lab Rat, I'm prepared to drop her as one of my top suspects.. for the present time. The position DD took opposing Lab Rat's banishment seems/feels sincere in retrospect and outweighs the case I believed I had against her over her reaction to my posts.

This analysis of DD almost seems like protection worth paying for...

Dag - As a noob to our game, he's hard for us to read. Combine that with his relation to Lab Rat makes this even more difficult. Don't know what his actual game experience is but he seems to be pretty smart, based on the posts he's made. I'm not going to assume though that he's communicating offline with Lab Rat (as JL has suggested a number of times about me and Wizard).

I am awesome no doubt about that. For the vote on my sister I have more experience in reading my sister's actions then anyone else here. So when she was going crazy i had a feeling that she was just excited to finally not be mafia. She was always saying how much she loved being mafia however that made everyone always expect that she is mafia in every game she plays.

Annie - Was a suspect of mine because he's virtually inactive in this game.. and his similar position to Dag and Zaffy where Lab Rat was concerned. Someone who might rather volunteer for an accomplice role so he'd have someone to communicate with.

For some reason most of Annie's posts don't ring out in my head when I just try to think back on what she has said. Either my memory is getting horrible or she (or is it he?) has been posting slyly. Definitely worth reading back on to check out what has been said and theories presented.

Wizard - JL keeps suggesting that Wizard was following my lead this time and he's hinted that we're working together outside the game. Whatever role Wizard has this time, I have no idea. I know the man well in everyday life but Wizard is also very smart and he understands this game very well. I expect he'll be quite good at this on his own... but I've not played with him or against him in this game setting enough that I can read him yet.

wizard / kashta --I am worried about the possibility that you two are communicating offline which would mean that both of you are evil. You are both rather active in the forums so there is a greater chance that either and/or both of you would be given primary roles. Also your praise of the madman's tactic is questionable.

Rich - Better than just about anyone at lying low and staying under the radar in this game. That makes him a very good choice either as the madman or someone the madman might have recruited.

Rich's style of laying low is quite troublesome I have to agree not to mention that he has played this game a few times that I know of so there is a better chance in my mind for him to have a primary role.

FF - Seems to be all over the place and his nonsensical posting resurfaced as soon as nightfall was over. This doesn't reassure any of us about him being pro-town in any way. FF seems (again) to crave our attention more than anything else and I don't believe he actually cares which team wins. The scum side is communicating this time (FF was non-communicating evil in his last game). If he's evil, I don't see that his teammates would sit by watching him post the comments he made tonight, so it's really anyone's guess which team FF is on.

I am beginning to think that FF is just totally noobing it up and pulling a lab rat style shoot yourself in foot while digging your own grave type move. As Kashta pointed out the madman had quite a good strategy in killing off zaffy. No offense FF but I don't think you would of thought of that.

Tex - Has made something of a spoiler of himself, posting disparaging remarks. Definitely not a pro-town person and he probably isn't taking this game seriously. This seems to be a joke to him or something he's joined to pass the time. As an evil, he's playing a laughable game so I don't see him volunteering for the role or being chosen by the madman.

I am now not sure on Tex, he has done some really scummy things (vote no explanation, ignoring questions, the "slinks back into shadow comment" they all seem rather scummy but as far as we know he has never played before and most likely wouldn't be given a primary role since no one knows how active they would be for the game.

Razz - Totally non-productive in the game, whether he's innocent or evil. Not much use speculating about him, at this point.

Ditto

For crying out loud, Fish, trying to make sense out of your posts is like trying to round up a bunch of cats. I read that to mean DD (as an innocent) didn't think Lab Rat was evil so she didn't vote her. And you applying the same (so-called) logic to anyone else who didn't vote Lab. That's why I pointed out the flawed reasoning because none of us "know" another person's role unless we're evil.

I know exactly what Kashta means here and for that reason I can't see FF being the madman but it's still possible that he is evil. the madman has been using too much strategy when they picked out the first kill. For that reason I think that we need to focus our attention on someone who has a more intelligible posting style with direct and clearly made points. Not someone who has been all over the place shooting themselves in the foot.

I am going to go back and read through the posts and search them for the people who have made the most concise points in who to banish (with a focus on people making the case to get rid of my sister).


I retract my vote to banish FF.

 
Since lab rat was innocent, that means my whole suspect list is crap. So I needed to reevaluate and figure out what i'm missing. This being Day 1 posts, that might not get me anywhere.. but I still have to give it a shot.
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I just realized that left Ice out of your analysis of people... why would you leave him out when you did such a thorough job on everyone else? not to mention leaving yourself out but <shrug> that is expected.
 
So Annie.If the team is Me Kash Wiz and Razz that means FF and Tex are innocent. So why in the world would 3 of us pile on the 1 innocent that would die?

What makes Dawg a 5? He voted Lab along with your 8's.
Why is FF and Tex a 7? I thought the team was Me Kash Wiz and Razz?
Why did Tex go from being your vote to now just a 7? Not a safe place to hide today?


Know what I think Annie?

The team is actually you Razz Wiz and Kash.


I'm thinking since only 1 player had to be recruited that Kash and Wiz put in for accomplices or 1 of them is the Madman and told the other to put in for accomplice so they could communicate. Last choice would be 1 of them was chosen last night. Wizs 1st invest last game was Kash so they could communicate.

I'm not positive about the above post but Wiz is following just like in last game and Kash is saying a lot of nothing.

Dawg is a 5 bexause I don't have anything to lean him one way or the other.

FF and Tex are 7's because if I am wrong about you or Razz, they would be my next best choices. I'm fairly certain Kash and Wiz are scum.

Tex went from being my vote to being a 7 because I reconsidered who I thought might be scummy.

If thats the case, lets compromise. With the exception of myself, that looks like a good list.

I retract my vote to banish Ice, and vote to banish Kashta.
 
Annie, your list is a total joke and makes no sense. FF seems to make more sense than you do at this point.

Besides yourself, you have no one leaning innocent?

I think you are the madman and either kash or the wiz asked to be evil, I don't think they both did because of how wiz followed kash on Lab, I don't think they would do that again. Maybe they hoped the other one did. Of the two, I could see the wiz asking to be evil. His weak vote with Kash to me thinks he was trying to hide in her shadow.

I have Kash and FF leaning innocent. I have annie and the wiz leaning mafia.

The rest are pretty close to neutral, really matters what happens this next nightfall and how the votes go. I think there are atleast three players that won't let annie get banished.
 
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