Just re-read D1...it has made me re-appraise the game.
Kashta, I just don't see how that works without just guessing as to how JL sent out the PMs. Not to mention the order has no bearing on the role the person was assigned since thats all random in the first place. Noods should know about not posting before the mod says "Game on" or even before roles are sent out, but hey...it's Noods
The time stamp for my PM was 2:42 PM and Noods posted 10 minutes before that. If the PM's went out as fast as you're implying then I must have been one of the last people even though I'm third on the player list and I'm assuming JL just went in order (that's what I do). Although, he could have grouped teams into one PM, but again that would just be an assumption. I could see it being statistically possible but I hate when people try to guess the mod's intentions.
I just don't think that's a relevant reason to vote, even if it's just to get things started...that's a fall back excuse anyways.
All I'm highlighting hear is that there were legit reasons to lynch Kashta on D1. From my point of view I was of course a candidate for the lynch myself. I was conscious of not coming across however of being unduly OMGUSY as Kashta was my rival for the noose. I'll admit that if I had to vote Kash to save me, I certainly would have done so.
I agree that Noods tends to show her evil side more often than not and can be overly defensive and OMGUSy...we've caught her more than a couple times on that. But seriously Kash, your vote was rather early and not based off some joke when that's what D1 usually is...I would see myself in the same position after being called scum for a trivial matter. This just doesn't seem to be the same defensive Noods as when she is evil. There's a lot more drama than there is now...lol
Ditto.
woot game on ( . )( . )!! the whole early post / vote thing is almost semi interesting but I'm not sure if there is anything to really gain from it. The only post that semi interested me was
Obviously if Kashta knew that noods was evil would be for the reason that they are both evil. However if they were both evil would it stand to reason that kashta wouldn't have brought up the whole matter and just let it pass unless someone else took notice of it?
However if noods really did slip in my mind it seems to reason that Coler's horrible defense was a slip up also. It really is early in the game to have solid reasoning to vote for someone but there is always solid reasoning for defending another person and that is you are on the same team as that person.
The Lack of FF posts is quite amazing. Usually he has 17 posts at this point in the game and another 3 saying how great he is for posting so much. After last game perhaps he is going for a new strategy of actually shutting his mouth till he has some input that doesn't scream scum (funny thing is even when he's innocent or a good guy the posts scream scum
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Side note the orlando international airport while it's nice they have free internet they might have the most uncomfortable chairs known to man. On a good day the padding for the chairs might be 1/8 inch thick.
I bolded the only relevant bit - I didn't ever defend Noods actually. I attacked Kashta. Anyone really think I made the horrid slip-up referred to by Dag ?
I've been thinking about the Noods/Kash interaction and have come up with 5 plausible theories.
1.) Noods is scum, got excited about being scum, and slipped up. Kash called her on it.
2.) Noods is scum, Kash is scum, and this was a distancing stunt since the early vote on day 1 doesn't tend to hold.
3.) Noods is innocent, Kash is scum, and Noods early posting seemed like an easy thing for scum to exploit. I don't really think this is the case since Kash is a much better player than that. Scum usually lets innocents make the case on day 1, not to mention it's way way too early in the day for scum to push a case against someone.
4.) They're both innocent. I'm not getting that feeling though...
5.) Kash knows Noods is scum because Kash is the immigrant worker. Remember, the immigrant worker(s) know the identity of a railroad scum. What a brilliant way to take advantage of a scummy slip up by Noods and then see who comes to her rescue. It sticks out big time that Coler jumped in right away to rescue Noods and try to set people onto Kash. Seems it worked. Noods seems way too squirmy to be innocent, especially for this early in the game. I think Kash did use that very early vote exactly as she intended. The retraction fits as well, it would be counterproductive to lynch Noods immediately.
Look at the following I've bolded from Kash's posts:
Right now I'm going with theory 5.
Dag, see my immigrant worker theory above. It's another way for Kash to know Noods was evil without being evil herself.
With that, I vote to lynch Coler as railroad scum.
I can't fault that analysis. This and subsequent posting really makes me re-visit my belief in Lab Rat being scum...this is genuinely very innocent pro-town looking posting. If Lab Rat is in fact scum, its extremely well done.
I don't like the way people were so quick to defend Noods. I would expect if she were innocent that she would have blown off Kash's accusation as early day 1 bs. Instead, Coler rushed in to her defense and Noods went all :nilly: . (Seems like when she's scum and a little pressure is on her she goes :nilly: quickly.) From what I can discern, this scenario happened previously, when Kash was scum. I wasn't around for that but if Coler saved Kash from a slip up similar to what Noods posted, it's not unreasonable to think it could happen again.
Maybe Coler could explain why he was so quick to jump to Noods defense and to throw a vote on Kash...
Yes, they could both be innocent, obviously that's happened many a time on day one. I just don't think it's happening this time from the reactions Kash has gotten. I think she was on a fishing expedition and hooked a couple.
I didn't defend Noods, I attacked Kashta.
Jpap, the reason I'm not voting Noods and I'm voting Coler is I want to see the interactions between Noods and her other teammates. See if they defend her or cut her loose. From Coler's reaction, I'd be willing to bet they're teammates. From Noods' reaction, I'm willing to bet she's scum. I'm quite comfortable with my vote on Coler at this point.
I know you pointed out Kash's inconsistencies, but I'm not getting a scummy feeling from her. What she posted goes along with my immigrant worker theory.
I also don't like the early train that has formed...iirc, that's 4 votes on Kash right now. 2 on Coler. 1 on OD.
Again, very clever scum post
or genuinely pro-town. If Lab Rat is scum, they know Noodles is and are now trying to bag both Kashta and me, with me to follow Kashta on the lynch should (when) she comes up innocent. I have to try and be objective...this post looks pro-town.
ok, from the whole Noods and Kash thing... I can totally see Noods as popping into the thread all excited because she hasn't played in a while and racing to be the first poster... some folks have fun with that race, I like to think Noods has the fun type of personality that would enjoy this race too... as far as her getting her PM and zipping to the thread to post and overzealously doing so in error because she's scum just doesn't really add up in my book though... I mean, don't you think scum would probably be tied up PMing each other, trying to form a home base or other message board to get aquainted? I am not buying the whole Noods posted early so that is scum scenerio... just doesn't add up for me... Yes, Noods has been gone for a few games but she is not a newbie in the respect where she will make an error such as this... just don't see it happening. As far as her acting all scattered or loopy or whatever that smilie means, well, if I was attacked and persecuted after a long hiatus, was voted on and accused, I don't think I would act any differently... and I will even venture to say I am not sure any of you would either.
Does this mean I believe Kash is scum... not really. I mean, I still suspect her as I do everyone else but Kash is doing what Kash does. She find something and drives at it. The fact that it was from page 1, post 1 bothers me... but on the other hand, I am not so sure Kash would go diving straight with both feet forward.... it seems too obvious. However, the retracting vote on Noods and her contradictions are clear. Kash has me as usual... on the fence... I mean, it could be that she's pushes too hard on everyone and there is some degree of suspicion to be found with the most innocent of the innocent but is it a false suspicion, are the contradictions a key point? Or is she manipulating the game... Kash certainly does a number on the brain cells.
As far as Coler, I dunno, I think people are not considering that this was all started very early in day one and Coler knew this point... and now he's getting demolished for it. One thing's for certain, after this day 1 is over, the findings will certainly show us something.
Lab, you say "people" were so quick to defend Noods.... do you usually use the term "people" when talking about 1 person? All I see mentioned her and questioned is Coler.
[cut by coler - DD is addressing Lab Rat
Who do I see as most obvious, Labby... If I were ready to vote, I believe my vote would be headed your way but I have a full day yet... no reason for it... I think I'd like to hear a little more from you...
Now, because of the numbers at this point on D3 I strongly feel DD was actually scum. The post above also reads like scum - she types a lot and says sweet FA. From my point of view she's mud slinging on two innocents (me and Kashta) but not really committing. If DD is indeed scum, I weigh up that Scum when mentioning suspects almost invariably include one of there own, because you can't accuse too many innocents of being scum in one go and of course should your team mate be found out you can claim credit. That may be a reason to consider Lab Rat scummy.
Quite the day one. I do not think Noodles is scum because of the early post, her defense of it does bear scrutiny. Right now i am thinking no but we shall see.
Kash has posted a lot, got on Noodles then moved on to Coler. I do not see a townie making hay I see a scum raking the muck.
LR does seem awfully sure but she usually is on her own theories, they are not always right but she is sure.
I may not be own tomorrow at all. Depends how the day goes. I vote to lynch LR.
Interesting only as its another poster slinging at LR. At this point, the scum team will still be worried about Noodles (i.e. it has not yet become Kashta v Coler - they need to put someone else up).
Yes, I realize this...sometimes I'm not so bright though. :duh: :nutkick: Maybe next game I can stop myself from making the same stupid mistake.
I voted for Coler because I believe he is scum. I voted for him over Noods because I see value in gauging the interactions between her and her other teammates. Interactions and reactions are not the same thing. Like I said, I would be comfortable with my vote on Noods too.
Re-reading I get a sense of the 'ring of truth' about this post, i.e. that Lab Rat does genuinely believe Noodles (and me) to be scum.
Do you really think you will see interactions if your theory is true? If Noods is evil and is caught (according to your theory) the scum would leave her for dead IMO. If you are so sure about your theory you should be voting Noods and look at Coler.
Isn't that the same theory you used to call me scum. Except it was the other way around. You thought I was scum for pushing so hard on FF. Why is your theory changing this game. I agree with DD that a lot should come from how the votes go down tonight since the lines are already drawn in the sand. To me it makes more sense for Kash or Noods to go tonight in order to gain the most info so...
I vote to lynch Kash
for reasons previously stated and because out of the 2 (Noods/Kash) I see Kash as more scummy. If Kash turns up as the immigrant worker than Noods goes tomorrow.
Its quite like Dawg knows Kashta is innocent here. He's also insisting that the next lynch should follow the outcome of Kashta's lynching - putting me in the frame for it. If he's scum he knows I'm innocent.
ok, I went back and looked at Colers posts, should have done this earlier.
this post doesn't seem to be defending moods... seems to me that Coler is really nmore interested in finding out why Kash is so sure on Noods, enough to say she MUST be scumtell.
this post doesn't seem to defend Noods either, it only explains that the game Kash is using as proof is not exactly how Kash laid it out.
Now, this doesn't seem to me that Coler is defending Noods, rather the opposite. He is merely finding a flaw in Kash's theory.
looks to me more like you used Coler as an opportunity to agree with Kash's belief and had not even considered that what Coler is saying is true.
And not only did Coler find this flaw in her thory, Pappy even elaborated more in going back to read the game, I am copying and pasting it here since my post has already started while I am looking for more things.
this gives validity to Coler's argument in my opinion.
DD is adopting an argument against an innocent - made by me (I don't think it was really a case made by me as such - we were discussing the older game and whether an early post like Noods is a scum tell). Adopting arguments like that (so you can disassociate yourself from them when the innocent is lynched) is a scum tell.
I will happily vote for Noods. When she's lynched and shows scum maybe that will make y'all feel better about my theory. Then Coler. That is fine with me.
I retract my vote on Coler and I vote to lynch Noods.
Ring of truth to this post again...and at this stage, Noods was not a done deal on the lynch (I think). That means there was seriously good analysis by the scum team which led to them thinking a lynch or two ahead (and I can see this in dawgs post above)...or Lab Rat is innocent.
I have to read posts since my last in particular kashtas so for now I retract my vote to lynch Kashta
Anyone who wants to tell me what the deadline in GMT is gets kudos.
Just to note, I did retract my vote on Kashta in order to catch up (yes I put it back up there later - 5 or 10 mins before nightfall I think. I actually mis-timed that nightfall somewhat for the record; I thought there was longer to go.
while I see this post as pretty over analytical, I have to say that you are forgetting one thing. Noods has not been to the board nor the Mafia games in quite a while. While she had been a player who had lots of fun with it, just her being excited to have made it to the game, yes, I can see that.... about most people feeling bummed because they did not get an evil role....disagree whole heartedly. Someone can be just as excited for a PR. And, I didn't think I was set apart from the group but I like the role I am given whatever it is, townie, mafia, or power role... I think that is an unfair statement to make.
Now...that is an actual defence of Noodles.
OK, this has oficialy passed over my head now. Lets all just lynch someone who hasnt posted alot, like odinthejd. he would be a good vote, al he has done so far is vote for someone and ask a question, all in one post.
Eh...sorry what ?? This really raised my hackles when I saw it again. Lets all jump on a low poster...??
Now of course there have been two turns. But leaving aside that, I think Lab Rat was likely innocent on D1 (may well still be - more thought needed). I think DD was scum. I suspect Dawg and FF. The main point of this post was to organise my own thoughts on D1 and to see how wedded I am to Lab Rat as scum. On balance I tend to think they were not scum on D1. I need to re-read D2.
I stand over the point I made last game day - anyone advocating a lynch of anyone except our confirmed scum noodles either needed their head examined, or was scum.
That said, this may be a scum team playing less co-ordinated than they should - as has been noted, Noodles could I think have given them a coin-toss win but didn't. That's consistent with DD UD'ing as scum.
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