Mafia 66: Farmers versus the Railroad - the play

the wizard said:
I don't twist words.

I answered the questions you asked.

As it stands right now, my vote will stay on you for all the reasons I have stated.

I would have to see something extremely scummy from someone else to switch my vote.
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How about this, Wiz... I've quoted all the posts involved because I don't want anyone to be able to say I've twisted words. This is the contents of post #295 by the Wiz. The posts by Labby and Dawg are the ones Wiz is responding to. I've removed some spaces in the quoted texts just to save space here.

Lab_Rat said:
Excellent point.
I doubt my posting got Kashta lynched. If it did, I'm sorry, but its a lot more likely the scum vote and last minute scum jumping to save their own got Kash lynched. They made the case against her. If you'd voted for Coler then at least it would have gone to a coin toss. That lone vote of yours did nothing to help the town.
I think you're barking up the wrong tree Wiz. We don't know how many immigrant workers there may be in the game. Nothing is to say there was only one. JL did not tell us how many of each role there are.
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dirtydawg10 said:
Equally excellent point there LR.
Wiz you are pointing at me for being on Kash's side and voting with her yet you yourself didn't even try to save her.
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Lab_Rat said:
Yes, they'll likely cut her loose. But we can see how she votes and who she jumps to save. Her jumping to save Coler confirms in my mind that he is scum. Come on, can't you see that?
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the wizard said:
Unless I am mistaken, and I don't think I am, each immigrant worker knew the identity of one RR owner. Not 2 or more immigrants knowing the same RR owner.
You are now starting to look scummy as well.

Why would I jump from someone that I am sure is scum to save someone who's role I don't know? You are doing a masterful job of early spin doctoring, and looking more like scum as these posts of yours do nothing for the town but just try to make yourself look blameless.
What I see is that you are looking scummy. The scum picked up one member, we lost kashta, and we have no idea what DD was.
We need to try to even up the odds.
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Wiz. You've been pretty absent recently, but I'm going to expect an answer to this. You seem to state here pretty clearly that you are suspecting Labby based on an assumption you are making. :footinmouth: Is that not the case? If that's so, then you're free to place your vote any way you like; but don't expect me to take anything you say with less than a pound of salt. I still find it disturbing that you seem to be so closed minded all game. That's not what I've come to expect from you. This post was on page 30, and you've refused to even humor any other discussion. That is not a helpful stance IMO.

Unless I'm mistaken, the vote in question was Wiz's vote on DD placed on night 1. Now at the end of that night, I had pretty little doubt that Kash was the IW and Noods would turn up scum. I find it hard to believe that you didn't figure this out too, Wiz. You still seem pretty sure that DD was scum with nothing more to go on than her day 1 posting. You say here that you were "sure" (that's the word you used... don't even go there) DD was scum. You've still never given specifics or pulled even 1 post of hers to support this stand. How can you say you were sure?

This is the perfect example of you (Wiz) not even acknowledging any ideas other than your agenda. And that's what this feels like to me, Wiz. You are trying to push an agenda. And that agenda ain't lynching RRers.

How about that, Wiz? Is that "extremely scummy" enough for you? You ready to vote for yourself yet? You can always just end this and admit it.

I'm willing to vote any of the three I've mentioned, But I still really like the Wiz as a candidate.

Tomorrow's my day off, so I'll spend a lot of it sleeping. I should be around long before nightfall though.
 
I just wanted to say this clearly so there's no question about where I stand. I'll put my vote anywhere you guys want as long as it's either a) Wiz, Annie, or Dag (in that order); or b) a **** good reason* to go in a different direction.


* "**** good" being decided by me upon return to the thread. At this point, I trust Rich, Dawg, Jpap, Labby. Which is not to say that I agree with everything they say, but I believe these 4 are working in the best interest of agriculture.
 
So I can't sleep and I have been laying in bed just going over the numbers trying to think of who could be what.

Game started with 14 people:
Lab_Rat
jbradt
jpappy789
odinthejd
Fishfriend1
rich311k
dirtydawg10
Dangerdoll
noodles62
AnniesNotOK
the wizard
Kashta
Coler
Dagamoth

Of those 14 there was at least 1 (possibly 2) immigrant worker, anywhere from 2-4 scum, the 4 secret council, and the rest being farmers. That means maximum of 7 farmers and a minimum of 4 to start out with.
Day 1 happens:
Lab_Rat
jbradt
jpappy789
odinthejd
Fishfriend1
rich311k
dirtydawg10
Dangerdoll - UD unknown role
noodles62
AnniesNotOK
the wizard
Kashta - lynched shows IW
Coler
Dagamoth

Railroad owners convert a farmer
There are now 0-1 IW, 2-5scum, 3-4 SC, and 3-6 farmer.
day two
Lab_Rat
jbradt
jpappy789
odinthejd - UD unknown role
Fishfriend1
rich311k
dirtydawg10
Dangerdoll - UD unknown role
noodles62 - lynched RRO
AnniesNotOK
the wizard
Kashta - lynched shows IW
Coler
Dagamoth

the RRO convert another farmer
There are now 0-1 IW, 2-4scum, 2-4 SC, and 2-5 farmer. Scum at this point can't have 5 people otherwise game would be over meaning they had to of only started with 3 people.
taking that into consideration there are 3 scum to start with on day 1 vote for kashta:
5 - Kashta - Odin (40), FF (52), Pappy (70), Coler (244), Noods (249)
Noods votes for kashta in the last few minutes right after Coler voted to tie with kashta. Anyone able to think a reason other then protecting a scum that noods would change her vote in last 2 minutes before lynching unless to protect coler from 50/50 chance? I am going to assume that Odin was an innocent who UDs the next day due to Noods' original vote on him to begin with. Coler voting to protect himself is understandable but Noods' vote to take away the 50/50 isn't. That leads me to believe that coler is scum.

Day 2 votes:
5 - noods - Wiz (269), FF (283), Annie (397), Coler (456), rich (507) again within last 2 minutes Noods casts a vote that screams scum protection. Instead of running the risk of putting coler in jeopardy she voted for wiz when it looked like she was going to UD. I am guessing that of the 4 other people voting for noods 1 of them might have switched to coler in the last few seconds if noods was going to UD. There could be at maximum 3 scum votes of the 5 at this point with possible 4 after noods got lynched. I was suspect about FF on day 1 and here he is voting with Coler again the only person to do so. I could completely see Annie being the person who was converted on day 1.

That is my logic in think that Coler is scum.
 
So Dag, if the vote were right now, and you could not vote for Coler, who would you vote for? Who would you not be willing to vote for?
 
Fishfriend1 said:
hey cole, whats been going on between me and dag?
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jpappy789 said:
Dag's been gunning for you for a while now...
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Bang on - since early D1. Personally I don't know if its distancing or you are innocent and perceived as an easy target to hassle into a lynch (yes I still think Dag is scum).

If it goes to a vote between Annie & Dag I would 100% be voting for Dag, noting that that possibility has been mooted.
 
What do you mean it's been mooted Coler?
 
the wizard said:
I don't twist words.

I answered the questions you asked.

As it stands right now, my vote will stay on you for all the reasons I have stated.

I would have to see something extremely scummy from someone else to switch my vote.
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Sure you do, I think JB did a fine job pointing that out. But that's ok, that's what scum is supposed to do.

I fully expect your vote to stay on me. Annies likely will as well. Afterall, scum has to place their vote somewhere...
 
Lab_Rat said:
I understand being busy irl but from playing previous games with you, when you're a good guy you tend to lay low. Last game for example. When you're scum, you tend to be more vocal. So imagine my concern when you go from quiet Annie to extremely vocal Annie after night 1 when we know someone has been turned. Not to mention, a lot of what you have posted seems like a smoke and mirrors trick to distract, not true digging.


Like this post, for example:

No other way to see it...awful close minded there Annie. I still say a total landslide vote on Noods and we would know a heck of a lot less than we do now. Do you still stand by this statement?

So tell me, how hard am I working to screw the town over? I'm trying to look at all possibilities since I don't want to align myself with the wrong side due to miscommunications.

So you're "sure" either Coler or I am scum. Did you go back and read my day 1 posts? Ask yourself, how did I possibly know that Noods was scum and that Kash was an IW...so when you can answer that, if you're still sure that one of us is scum you'll see it's not me.

As to the bolded part, how in the heck can you say Coler is a "heck of a guy, appears to be working in the town's best interest"? From what I've seen, he's trying to save his neck (fair enough) and just recently has started, from what I can tell, appearing to help the town. At the time you posted this originally, I had seen no pro-town behavior from him. You picked up his fire and brimstone, doom and gloom message and ran with it last night. I could see you doing this to frame him, you're a crafty one...

And Wiz...Wiz accused me right off the bat after Kash was lynched. Conveniently overlooked the fact I was trying to tell you all she was innocent, ignoring the fact I'd been saying Noods was scum from the start, and never answering why he did not jump to tie up the vote in the hopes to save an important innocent player. Wiz had a non-committal, worthless vote day 1. If DD indeed was scum, his lone vote on her could easily be distancing at that point in the game. Scum like, avoid any risk. Noods was outed, let her take the fall. His posts reflect yours in the smoke and mirror sense, without real pro-town substance.

While I am less sure about Coler now, I am pretty sure you and Wiz are working together...
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Sorry I dont have time now to address the questions you posted Labby.

I will say this. I carefully reviewed your posts last night. I believe I was harsh when I stated you have done nothing pro-town. While I saw many posts with what looked like scum (particularly all the posts in reference to pocket mafia" and your seeming determination to bring Noods to a coin toss with Coler), objectively I also saw posts I percieved to be pro-town. I agree at this point that you at least started the game as an innocent.

My position on you has softened. I am no longer comfortable with you as my choice, especially under the circumstances of sudden death. I cannot afford to be wrong.

I retract my vote for LabRat.

My vote will likely land on Dag tonight, pending further discussion by the town.
 
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