Mafia #67 - 50/50 -- The Play

[Lab_Rat]

Lab, you have twisted the numbers! The SB is neither mafia or innocent.

Will you admit that he has the same chance (7/15) of being mafia or innocent?

In my mind, SB is just as evil as scum and should be done away with, therefore I grouped them with the scum. Of course I'll admit there is the same chance of mafia or innocent. Last time I checked, I passed my statistics class.

 

[johnlarson66]

If FF shows scum, voting for him will not clear anyone totally, though it would make me trust some a bit more than others. But Dag voting for him means absolutely nothing since it was literally a random vote.

What have we learned -

If FF comes up communicating mafia?

If FF comes up communicating innocent?

If FF comes up mafia?

If FF comes up innocent?

If FF comes up SB?

 

[jbradt]

JB, I agree with most of what you post, but then you say that it would be good to keep FF around if he is mafia thinking that he is not on a communicating team.

That really makes no sense at all.

If FF is non-communicating mafia, what good is he to the town? I think what Lab and jpap think is that FF is non-communicating mafia and is trying to get the mafia to investigate him so he can join them. They want to lynch him because of this. If I thought he was non-communicating mafia, I would want to lynch him also. I think he is non-communicating. Not sure what. I also don't think either team would want to investigate him. This is a team building format and the investigations are for adding members to your team. Ice has tried to explain this, but is now voting FF.

okay... let me say it once for the cheap seats: I MADE A MISTAKE IN MY LOGIC. I'll explain it one last time.

I'm not convinced FF is mafia. I'm convinced he is not communicating. At the point that I am convinced I'll have no problem voting for him. If he turns up mafia after he's lynched, I'll be the first to laud you all copiously for picking up on it so early.

Despite the error in my logic, I'm not convinced he's scum. Which is not the same as saying he's not scum. I'm just not convinced, and I don't like the train at all... so I won't be voting there.

 

[jbradt]

What have we learned -

If FF comes up communicating mafia?

If FF comes up communicating innocent?

If FF comes up mafia?

If FF comes up innocent?

If FF comes up SB?

This is one of the points I was trying (unsuccessfully) to make last night. If FF gets lynched we learn nothing at this point. JMO.

 

[johnlarson66]

In my mind I am the King of France, but that has nothing to do with this game or the roles -

The suicide bomber has no affiliation and is a neutral player. The SB can win by ending the game. If people vote for the SB and take themselves out ending the game that night the SB wins.

I was also thinking like Ice that if the SB makes it to the end they win. The problem I saw with that is if teams investigated them it is easy to stay alive. Also typically a suicide bombers goal is to take out other people by killing themselves. The bonus is that when the SB takes themselves out and kill other players they end up with Allah and 70 virgins in eternal paradise

 

[jpappy789]

Granted, Pappy, I overlooked the hole in my logic; I've admitted that already. But I don't think that saying I'm not convinced he's scum is contrary to saying if he is scum. I'm not convinced one way or the other. He's got just as much chance of being the SB as anyone else. Hell, he may be trying to draw votes by acting the way he's acting... I just think the train on him is a bigger distraction to the town than the little guy himself.

When I said I was still wondering why you suggested that FF should be kept around you said the simple answer was that you weren't convinced he was scum. That makes no sense seeing as you said "if FF is mafia..." so at that point if the decision for him to be kept around was made, we would have to be sure enough that he was mafia in the first place to even consider it.

 

[Lab_Rat]

ok, I quoted these 2 posts because of the questioning of FF's play last game. When I started last game, I don't recall his play because I was gone that last day. What I do remember though is the post that Labby posted with her #1-#5 and her findings in them.... I notice this game though that Labby is pretty hung up on FF and very lightly on a few others but nothing as exemplary as on FF. Labby, this is pretty different from your last game where you posted your thoughts in depth enough to number them, posted things about the game in general, both were pretty big posts were pretty long and again, in depth.... why aren't they so much like that here in this game? Yes, I know I voted FF and I still haven't seen anything scummier than his posts but as I read, with the focuses on how he played his last game.... I have to wonder why Labby is also playing differently than she did last game.... or how I see it, she is....

just a thought..... going back to read.

Last game I knew for sure that Noods was scum due to my role of IW. Therefore I knew Kashta must not have been on her team, hence Kash was innocent. I thought Kash was a farmer, but I was giving her my role for the theory since I couldn't out myself. Turns out, we had the same role. This game I don't know for sure FF is scum. I know he's posted scummy things. I find it VERY odd that people are defending him.

If I could not vote to lynch FF right now, I'd vote to lynch JB. I'm pretty sure he's scummy. His story is coming apart, jpap just picked up on a huge hole in his proposal.

 

[jbradt]

Lab, you have twisted the numbers! The SB is neither mafia or innocent.

Will you admit that he has the same chance (7/15) of being mafia or innocent?

Not the first thing Labby's twisted in this game.... the way I read it anyway.

 

[IceH2O]

Wanted to catch up before I hit the bed and see its still all about FF.

I've said my piece and its where I stand unless I see something different by tomorrow. Still need to see more from the quieter players like Dag,Wiz and Kashta.

I disagree Lab that the SB is evil. The SB is a wildcard that could be a plus for the town if 2 mafia are the last on him or if the mafia hit them,in both cases they lose players. How is this evil? It is true the opposite could happen and innocents can die but if it can happen to either how do you come to the conclusion evil and has to go?

 

[Lab_Rat]

Au contraire, JB. If FF comes up as scum I feel we have learned quite a lot. Not so much if he comes up innocent.