Mafia #69: Ghost Hunters Game Thread

[Dangerdoll]

I guess what I am getting at is I love his enthusiasm for the game.

I think that in his enthusiasm he gets over excited and has a hard time slowing down and pulling his thoughts together, as a result his posts always look scummy.

LR on the other hand, was twisting his words to get him lynched but in this game, she is asking everyone else their thoughts before voting Ice.

FF seeing a more experienced player asking that way tried to emulate that kind of posting style.

wait a second, thuis would be going on the assumption that FF believes Labby is a more experienced player than he is.... I don't know which started playing mafia first, Labby or FF...but I would consider them to have about as much experience as the other... that said, perhaps Labby needs some looking into... however, her discussion in regards to speaking to us as a group seemed a bit different from FF's who's seemed to come from no where.

I am beginning to wonder if you wish you would have told FF to keep quiet like Ice did when they were on an evil team together.

 

[IceH2O]

Ice, do you think FF would screw up the investigations? How? Is there a "wrong" investigation?

Uh yeah....How would FF really know who to look at for investigations?

If you were doing invests what would you look for? Whats more important at the start,finding the exorcist and doctor or finding scum? For wahtever reason lately I've targeted innocent PRs pretty easily. I haven't had a good run with the games when innocent and if I'm off I'm more of a distraction then even FF could be.

Ok, this is interesting, yesterday Ice made his statement about vet vs newb.

No one called him on it other than to say that it might be true but, we weren't willing to risk it.

Today, we have three jumping on him for it. LR, Kashta, and bio.

Let me ask the three of you this, do you really think scum would volunteer to be lynched?

Think about it, it is day one and we never have much to go on in day one.

We historically end up lynching townies for that reason.

These three votes have caused me to think maybe we have a female scum team this time around.

The scum have an advantage as they know already who is innocent. Now suppose, (and I don't intend for this to be a defense of anyone I am just trying to put it out there for thought because I don't know either.) that FF is innocent as he claims.

The scum are willing to let him be lynched as it is another innocent gone. Ice makes his statement, and after a day of discussion in the scum den they decide that they can use that statement to lynch a more formidable foe than what is already on the chopping block and not look scummy doing it.

I may have made a target of myself with this theory but so be it. I want to get it out there and give them a chance to respond. Meanwhile I will think on it and if I see reason to I will move my vote.

A bit of a reach there, Wizard... IMO. But I'll respond.

I was fairly busy with the thread yesterday and haven't been through this as much today... I do what I can with the time I get for this. I did read through what was going on and had been thinking about Ice's suggestion since last night.

I looked over the thread again, wrote up my post (voting Ice), and as I normally do, I refreshed the page to see what else had posted before submitting my post. That's when I saw Lab's post where she also voted Ice for pretty much the same reason I was going to. I added an introductory sentence to my previewed post then.... in agreement with Lab Rat's conclusion.... and posted it. I didn't feel it was necessary to change anything just because it seems Lab and I view Ice's position the same way. I saw later that Bio came along and followed to place a 3rd vote against Ice.

Your theory that the 3 of us are in cahoots because the votes happened to come along at the same time is incorrect. Given the timing, however, and placement of our posts, I say it's still a fair question. I'd like to hear responses as well from both Lab Rat and Bio.

I'll also ask you (Wizard) to consider this: If the three of us were communicating scummates plotting away... (1) do you really think it'd take either Lab Rat or myself a whole evening and most of today for us to deliberate about Ice before voting him?, (2) if we were planning this as scummates, why on earth would we foolishly post the same thing at the same time?, and (3) are you overlooking the point that other seemingly rational (?) players have voiced similar suspicions about Ice for what he posted?

As I stated, I can see why the timing might raise this question... but think it's a bit much to accuse 3 different players of being mafia teammates over that alone. If you have other reasons for suspicion, please point them out.

That said, I wonder a bit about Biohazard jumping in with her vote the way she did and when she did because it possibly sounded to her like a safe place to be at that point in the thread. I'm a little suspicious about Bio already because prior to her vote, she'd made 4 totally useless posts plus only 1 more where she actually made a point.



A good point to make when this was posted, but her participation is still too low for us to tell much about Bio in this game.

Lab (so far) seems to be trying to help the town as far as I can tell (so far). In her case, I take that with a grain of salt.

I just wanted to quote these for future reference. I want to wait before I actually address these.




To the actual point in question noob vs vet. I think FF is innocent,he always posts scummy so he is hard to figure out. If you are going to vote off an innocent then I said you may as well vote me off, since you're killing an innocent it may as well be one that can read the game and the players in it. The evils could use my posts to twist and turn to get others lynched because I do post a lot and with many theories. Who are the evils going to connect to FF to get the town to lynch other innocents?

I do like Wizzes assessment, but for all I know he is evil and is coming to my rescue because it makes him look good when I show innocent. But for Kash to name 3 points to show they can't be team mates is also BS. Look we posted the same thought at about the same time, sorry but that can be planned.

I have no problems being voted off. I do ask to make sure you aren't an innocent voting me though because the evils will use this against you.

For those who think its anti town, I'm not saying the plan is to vote me off. I'm saying that FF makes himself such an easy target that the evils could easily get him to look scummy when he isn't. If FF is innocent I'd look at those who started in on him but didn't actually vote him. I think by now players would take FF with a grain of salt and wait and quit making day 1 about him. The other problem with FF always being Day 1 banter is we get no real info because after the innocents vote him the evils can just jump on and hide.
If we can find some one more likely to be scum I'm all for voting that person, I'm pretty sure it isn't FF and I know its not me. But as long as it looks like an innocent is getting lynched it might as well be me.

When I get some time tonight I'll reread the thread and see if I have any real suspects. I haven't really done much but answer questions directed at me. I didn't feel rushed since we have till tomorrow evening and I wanted to make a clear choice with all info in front of me.

 

[BioHazard]

If you knew you had plenty of time to change it then why did you have to worry about getting it in before the last minute?

Because last time I got my post in late, I got in HUGE trouble, and would have been lynched had I not died for other reasons.
Why is an early, easily changed vote so suspicious to you?

 

[[AC] maelstrom]

that is true mael, however I do find it hard to believe scum would welcome being lynched.

exactly what he would want us to think if he's scum...and it seems you've already fallen for it. i would think ice of all people could pull something like this off. kashta already outlined the scenarios, rather in depth I might add.

Im not saying that i completely think Ices little charade is a scum tactic but i have to consider it. especially since he somehow thinks hes better to the town dead than alive.

 

[IceH2O]

wait a second, thuis would be going on the assumption that FF believes Labby is a more experienced player than he is.... I don't know which started playing mafia first, Labby or FF...but I would consider them to have about as much experience as the other... that said, perhaps Labby needs some looking into... however, her discussion in regards to speaking to us as a group seemed a bit different from FF's who's seemed to come from no where.

I am beginning to wonder if you wish you would have told FF to keep quiet like Ice did when they were on an evil team together.

You can hardly equate the number of games played and experience. Even if FF had more games under his belt you'd still think he was more experienced? Knowing how to play the game is experienced. Not having a certain number of games under your belt.
Lab is way more experienced at this game then FF.

 

[[AC] maelstrom]

Uh yeah....How would FF really know who to look at for investigations?

If you were doing invests what would you look for? Whats more important at the start,finding the exorcist and doctor or finding scum? For wahtever reason lately I've targeted innocent PRs pretty easily. I haven't had a good run with the games when innocent and if I'm off I'm more of a distraction then even FF could be.







I just wanted to quote these for future reference. I want to wait before I actually address these.




To the actual point in question noob vs vet. I think FF is innocent,he always posts scummy so he is hard to figure out. If you are going to vote off an innocent then I said you may as well vote me off, since you're killing an innocent it may as well be one that can read the game and the players in it. The evils could use my posts to twist and turn to get others lynched because I do post a lot and with many theories. Who are the evils going to connect to FF to get the town to lynch other innocents?

I do like Wizzes assessment, but for all I know he is evil and is coming to my rescue because it makes him look good when I show innocent. But for Kash to name 3 points to show they can't be team mates is also BS. Look we posted the same thought at about the same time, sorry but that can be planned.

I have no problems being voted off. I do ask to make sure you aren't an innocent voting me though because the evils will use this against you.

For those who think its anti town, I'm not saying the plan is to vote me off. I'm saying that FF makes himself such an easy target that the evils could easily get him to look scummy when he isn't. If FF is innocent I'd look at those who started in on him but didn't actually vote him. I think by now players would take FF with a grain of salt and wait and quit making day 1 about him. The other problem with FF always being Day 1 banter is we get no real info because after the innocents vote him the evils can just jump on and hide.
If we can find some one more likely to be scum I'm all for voting that person, I'm pretty sure it isn't FF and I know its not me. But as long as it looks like an innocent is getting lynched it might as well be me.

When I get some time tonight I'll reread the thread and see if I have any real suspects. I haven't really done much but answer questions directed at me. I didn't feel rushed since we have till tomorrow evening and I wanted to make a clear choice with all info in front of me.

Question...

why do you think ff is innocent?

just trying to see your thought process here.

my first impressions of ff is that he's someone that the mafia would want around to act as a distraction. I remember in the past that this has worked very well for teams to leave in someone who acts very suspiciously, and gets votes, but never push for their lynch. so I agree that if ff does get lynched that those who rile him up so to say should be scrutinized for doing so and not voting him. guilty as charged here but its so hard to read what he says and not respond since its like a puzzle :irked:

 

[Dangerdoll]

You can hardly equate the number of games played and experience. Even if FF had more games under his belt you'd still think he was more experienced? Knowing how to play the game is experienced. Not having a certain number of games under your belt.
Lab is way more experienced at this game then FF.

ok, so then you would also consider FF to have thus same thought process... I am not so sure about that.

 

[IceH2O]

well, looks like we are back to the FF show. I really do not like the way he insinuated - no, outright stated- that it would be bad for both he and JL, if JL voted for him. perhaps FF did this after JL voted for him as a way to draw attention to JL and frame him so to speak? I do not think that JL has done anything really scummy at this point other then his usual bush thrashing. (kicking sounds too meek for JL's methods! LOL)
I really do not want to get caught in the trap of focusing on FF day one as seems to have become the norm *sigh* but I do agree that FF totally overreacted from one little ole vote early on day one, but that also seems to be the norm where FF is concerned.

the banter betwwen DD & Mael is equally distracting but I dont think there is any real meat to it....yet anyway. worth watching as the day progresses........
more later. I have to look busy, my boss just walked in....

I really need to take a shower but I remembered reading something while I skimmed for questions posted to me.

This post bothers me. Noods is pointing to voting FF but doesn't. Also throws in the DD/Mael banter. I see she is putting out thoughts that is fine. But Noods isn't saying anything. She is hiding in the middle and being non committal. FF is scummy looking but I don't think he is scum but I think he might be.
Her opinion of the DD/Mael statement makes me wonder which one she is setting up to vote for?


For now till I get a better read I vote to lynch Noods.

 

[the wizard]

Because last time I got my post in late, I got in HUGE trouble, and would have been lynched had I not died for other reasons.
Why is an early, easily changed vote so suspicious to you?

Let's look at your posts

Okay, fair enough. I vote to lynch Ice.

I might change it later, but I don't want to make the mistake of a last minute vote again!

You stated you didn't want to make a last minute post.

Defending a team mate perhaps, Wiz? Why so worried about him getting a few votes, especially so early in a game? I think it is already pretty obvious who is going to be lynched.

I said why I made my choice. I wanted to make sure I had a vote in before the last minute, and knew that I would have plenty of time to change it.

You again state you didn't want to make a last minute post, only this time you state that you knew you would have plenty of time to change it.

I don't know if you are aware of this or not but contradicting yourself is scummy.

I retract my vote on capt caveman and vote to lynch Bio.

 

[johnlarson66]

DangI need to preview before posting lol I placed my comments in the wrong position in my last post

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