Mafia #69: Ghost Hunters Game Thread

Vote count thus far.
(5) FF - JL(19) JRR(87) CCM(145) Annie(155) Rich311k(216)
(1) CCM - Madcrawdad(109) the Wiz(164)
(1) Maelsrom - DD(140)
(3) Ice - Lab(180) Kashta(188) Bio(194)
(1) Noodles - Ice(238)
(1) Biohazard - the wizard(239)

No votes from: Noodles, FF, Lady G, ILM, Dawg, Maelstrom.

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I pointed an early finger at you simply to get you to answer a question that you seemed to be avoiding. When I asked my question, you popped on and off the thread two times without answering. I threw a vote, and you answered within minutes.

As already pointed out, your answers to the questions are a little inconsistent. IMO, it makes you the best D1 vote so far.



Maybe not scummy to request to be lynched....but anti-town for sure.



If you've got Ice leaning innocent (which is a little strange given how early we are into D1), why would you even consider voting him?



Very noble of you, Bubba. Please explain how you acting intentionally scummy, in order to get lynched, would help the town.



The town needs to vote out the scummiest player, period. Anyone voting based on vet vs. noob is suspect. If the psychic is lynched or hit, all the dead vet detectives in the world aren't going to save the town....it'll be up to all the noobs left then.

If people want to discuss this issue hypothetically, that's okay. If someone actually votes for a candidate because they're an experienced player, though, they should be considered a suspect.

I thought about what Ice had posted in regards to welcoming a lynch as he was quite good at picking out the scumbags when he wasnt forced to be conservative in what he posted in the Gunslinger game, which I'm sure you remember.

However, upon further consideration I realized it would never be a good idea to vote for someone you suspect might be innocent, which I am beginning to suspect Ice may be, as a result of what he has posted thusfar. Hunchy I know, but thats all I've got.

FYI, today is my wife's birthday, so I may not be on much...

I'll probably be spending most of the evening watching her enjoy her new Slap Chop.
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This is truly the most thoughtful thing you have ever done Mad. A Slap Chop is even better than those tater mitts you got her for Xmas. I hope she appreciates that she has such a caring and devoted husband.
 
Are Dawg and Annie even playing? Haven't hardly heard from either of them...laying low perhaps? Annie I expect it from, Dawg not so much.

Then in 2 minutes annie posts.
 
Interesting post, Lab. I just came up with pretty much the same conclusion.



I'll tell you how this reads scummy, Ice.

If you're innocent and participating in the game, you'll do as well or better for the town (dead or alive) than many of the rest of us. If you're dead (a good spirit), the only thing you can still do is help pick investigations. While active in the game and alive, you'll really help us sort through the lies and schemes to find scum. Frankly, it's easier for just about anyone to pick a decent investigation subject.... even FF if that's how this turns out. Rooting out scum in these games is much more difficult. For these reasons, I'd rather keep you alive (if you really are innocent) than help the mafia by lynching you. I say if the evils want you dead, we should make them use up one of their hits to kill you...... that is if the scum team isn't good enough at this to get you lynched themselves. Now, having considered these points, I'm less inclined to believe you are innocent after suggesting your idea that your death may help us in ANY useful way.

If you're evil, well then.... this little insight you've had about letting yourself get killed may serve an interesting purpose. Like it or not, Ice, you are a reasonable target for anyone on the opposing side. You know this as well as we do, judging from how much you've complained that you usually get killed early in these games. By allowing yourself to get lynched (for some plausible pro-town reason), your apparent willingness to sacrifice yourself for the "good of the town" should pretty much take the wind out of the sails for anyone who might otherwise wanted to lynch you for saying (or doing) something else that seems scummy to us. If they believe you.... the mafia is also less likely to hit a veteran player who has suggested his death may benefit the town more than it benefits the scum.

Now, where does that leave us? You've presented us a cute little WIFOM dilemma. End result is we're less apt to lynch you.... and the mafia is less likely to hit you.

Thus, not only do you manage to stay alive longer than you might have before... you've already presented a convenient defense for still being alive few days from now when others wonder if the mafia hasn't killed you because YOU are on their team.

All things considered, I've decided to call Ice's bluff (too) and take him up on his offer.

I vote to lynch Ice.

I don't believe Ice is as noble minded and self-sacrificing as he hoped to appear. Ice is sharp when it comes to anticipating how a game is likely to go and can strategize well what he needs to do to serve his team's purpose best long before the rest of us get that far. When Ice gets self-protective by saying things that don't actually add up and which psychs us out, that's worth noting as a danger sign.

I like the 1st red statement. It is a great move for an innocent player to stay in the game longer. Or to get mafia to question it...................

2nd statement I need some help on...Tell me how this works Kash? If I'm mafia then why bring attention to myself? If I don't get lynched or hit what are the chances I'm not investigated? Its a pretty bold move on my part if I'm mafia. Why risk it? Just to play mind games? How is that trying to win?
 
So who is willing to go with Ice's plan? I don't think I am. I think Ice has become quite the drama queen the last few games. My guess is that his willingness to get lynched is his way of saying "look at me, I am an innocent and willing to get lynched instead of a noob to help the town", knowing that the town would not willingly lynch an innocent. Ice has switched up his play style in the past few games so it is hard what to think of it all.

I think Ice is a good suspect. I think it would be worth lynching him to find out what he is. I would like to see FF gone first. I would like to see FF understand how his input can be a distraction and to think before he posts. He contridicts himself. He is his own worst enemy. His heart is in the right place, he just needs to slow down some.

A FF vs Ice race would be just fine for me, it will show us where people stand.

So which is it JL?
 
How is leaving a vote on an innocent not bad for scum? (not saying he is, just that it would be bad for a scum member)

I will also say this : how many people want ME as the guy who invest first? (this is to innocents only)

It was FF, not Ice that brought this up about who gets to invest first.
 
I am beginning to wonder if you wish you would have told FF to keep quiet like Ice did when they were on an evil team together.


This is the 2nd time you've mentioned me and FF on an evil team together. I've never been on FFs team,unless I blocked it from my memory.
 
Post 36 to be exact.

Also all innocents that are lynched will be good spirits.

Odd that FF posted this and that Ice agreed. I also think that it is odd that Ice does not think FF could handle investigated people if he was a good spirit.

For Ice's sake, he better hope that FF does not come up evil.
 
I really have no reason to believe he is except that he always posts this way. Look thru the thread and prove me wrong on my next thought. A lot of players just want to vote him off because he is a distraction,not because he is scummy but could be. FF is an easy target and with any player like that I like to watch the reaction of others against him. JL I'm not sure of, he always votes the 1st role player. But from that point on everyone grabbed and ran with a twisting of a statement of him saying we'll both be sorry if I'm lynched. How exactly does that equate to him insinuating him and JL are on a team and if that is the thought we votes on JL? Isn't he more a threat as scum then FF? If you're sure this statement was scummy the votes should be on his so called team mate and not FF. If you're not sure that FF is evil then you shouldn't be voting him IMO.




You don't think FF knows that Lab is better at this then he is?
I was not sure what he thought before he role-played, however, the role playing could be to back you up, I don't know.
Are Dawg and Annie even playing? Haven't hardly heard from either of them...laying low perhaps? Annie I expect it from, Dawg not so much.
You forgot about Lady G and ILM. Neither has added any substance to the game. However, I doubt all 3 are mafia and using the same tactic...

I find it interesting though that Annie has posted just after your thought.
 
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