Mafia #70: The Time Vortex

[jpappy789]

JPap, since the exact rules from the original GS game were not followed I have a question. Did the scum pick the GS or did you pick the GS??

The rule that did not follow the original format has been clarified. That should answer your question.

 

[Rbishop]

Post #1
There's your Rule. You have an out right now.

Don't need an "OUT"....:evil_lol:

 

[dirtydawg10]

So, Zaffy, who are your top suspects?

Dawg, who are yours?

I'd also love to hear from JL and Ogre, as well as Mad and Rich.

I definitely have Ogre up there. I still can't get over the claim that he KNEW Z was mafia. You just don't say something like that unless you do know or you're scum...and he didn't know so I'm guessing scum. Kash did not vote for Ogre either. Today she was talking about taking him out possibly to distance from him.

#2 is tough. I'd be looking at Wiz (who could easily be innocent), Noods and Charlie. JL has sparked my interest too. It seems like people who have clammed up during this stage of the game have done so because they don't want to be seen and shot. Kash was obviously an exception. Any one who is keeping their trap shut right now is hurting the innocents for sure.

 

[Rbishop]

I definitely have Ogre up there. I still can't get over the claim that he KNEW Z was mafia. You just don't say something like that unless you do know or you're scum...and he didn't know so I'm guessing scum. Kash did not vote for Ogre either. Today she was talking about taking him out possibly to distance from him.

#2 is tough. I'd be looking at Wiz (who could easily be innocent), Noods and Charlie. JL has sparked my interest too. It seems like people who have clammed up during this stage of the game have done so because they don't want to be seen and shot. Kash was obviously an exception. Any one who is keeping their trap shut right now is hurting the innocents for sure.

LMAO..thats half the remaining players

 

[Rbishop]

AND it doesn't matter at all is the real killer...

 

[dirtydawg10]

The rule that did not follow the original format has been clarified. That should answer your question.

Thanks for the clarification.

So the scum already know who the GS is. My point in asking that question was because I was wondering if it makes sense for the GS to come out. If the scum already know the GS the only people who don't know who the GS is are the innocents. If the GS comes out and posts their next shot we will have another confirmed innocent for future reference. DO NOT RC UNTIL YOU ARE SAYING WHO IS GETTING SHOT IN THE SAME POST. Then there can be no false claims. Does that make sense to anyone else?

 

[dirtydawg10]

LMAO..thats half the remaining players

I know and that's part of the problem.

 

[johnlarson66]

So, how about if we get people to post lists of their top 2 or 3 suspects? Unfortunately, we don't have any more concrete evidence to go on, but with Kash's role I figure we ought to be able to come up with something. A sentence or two from each person on why they suspect who they do would be awesome.

Based on interactions with Kash, I have several people that I'm strongly leaning innocent, and I'm not sure if I want to put those out there or not. Suffice it to say that there are several people in particular whose posts I'll be reading very carefully.

I am still looking at Wiz and Ogre.

Wiz: was suspect early on for oddly aggressive play. He calmed down after a little while and looked a little more Wiz-like. His defense of Kash (yes, say what you will Wiz; that's what it looks like), and total unwillingness to even look at the possibility that I might have been telling the truth don't look good.

Ogre: hinted at being CI in his pursuit of Zs. Kash was pushing hard for him along with me at the end. On the surface this seems to clear him, but Kash is **** good. She could have done that so it would clear him, thus protecting him. I think one of the reasons that Kash got by so well this game is that there was some truth in her lies.

I think this sounds like a good idea. I also think that jb should name the target for the GS to hit - it would be good for the GS to take it's guidance from jb only.

I did not have Kash as a suspect and if it was not for jb coming out, I would have had her leaning innocent.

Before all of this I posted three names - Orge, Wiz and Lab.

Orge - I am also not real sure about the UD rule, but it has been awhile since Orge posted. I have not read anything 48 hours and I need to double check who posted that. I am not sure if Orge is quiting or hiding. I am not sure how much weight can be put in what Kash said about Orge after she was outed.

Wiz - He might have been the kill vote on HN, he also might not have even known who his team was. I do not think it was a loss cause. I can't imagine in this wild game killing a teamate on purpose.

Lab - she seems defensive when there is no reason to be. She also seemed to perk up when Kash was outed. It appeared like she gave a little bit of defense and then when after Kash full force. She is able to check the thread on her cell phone and post, but left her vote on ILM who UD.

 

[johnlarson66]

Where have JL and Ogre been today? And Firedancer?

Good to see you Charlie! :hi:

I was here earlier.

 

[jbradt]

I was looking back through Kash's posts and interactions with other players. I found this one with Ogre:

Let me ask you Kash... what will your opinion of me be if Zsand is mafia?

I don't know yet Ogre. I don't have all the answers here either.

I suspect him and you both. The way you came on so strong before when there was a choice to be made between Lady G and Zsand made me wonder if you were scummy and trying to get us to lynch Zs. I waited placing my vote trying to be as sure as I could that she was the better suspect between the two. And I voted Lady G because I'd began suspecting her (and I called her scummy, no less) earlier in the game. I'm trying to keep my view focused on the overall scope of all days and not bounce around from one suspect to another as the days change and new theories get suggested.

That turned out to be a mistake in large part and now we know she was innocent. For all I know, you are right about Zsand being evil and you wanted to protect someone else you were leaning as townie. I agree with the points you have made about Zsand, as well.

However... when nightfall came and went you started posting alternate suspects "if Zsand was innocent" after proclaiming so strongly that you believed him scummy. Before then, there was no possibility in your mind that Zsand may be innocent. That got me wondering if you were scummy and trying to get us to take him down, but also covering yourself in case you got blamed for us killing another innocent.

Tonight, I just posted my vote on Zsand... despite there being something of a train on him. I still agree with you that he's not playing the way he normally does.

Then as soon as my vote hit the thread, I saw you urging us again to vote him. I nearly retracted on the spot because of it. I read on further in your post and see there's more frustration behind it than I'd noticed before.... (the game off/game on stuff I replied with).

And now you're asking me if I'm connecting the two of you together? If Zsand turns out to be mafia, I'll be real happy that we lynched him and I was able to help nail him. But my vote on him now is because of his play in the game... not because you want people to vote him. And whether he's innocent or guilty, it's been his own behavior that has drawn our votes. Whether that later reflects well or badly upon you has nothing to do with it. The outcome of his role being revealed will be a question fired at anyone who voted him... or didn't vote him.

This was well before Kash was even suspected. Seems like this could very well be staged to give Ogre some leeway when Z flipped townie?

Maybe the GS should just take a shot at one of the players that isnt really playing anyway. If it is a bad shot at least we will move on to the next day.....well, no NVM. they might hit a PR.....IDK, the lack of participation is boring and making it drag...

Thing is, the shot doesn't have to be taken soon. We've got lots of time to talk things out.

At this point, Noods is my top.

Still thinking about #2.

Zaffy, you and Dawg have both mentioned Noods. Why is she suspicious to you two?

AND it doesn't matter at all is the real killer...

Bish, what can I say. You seem like a smart, decent dude; then you sign up to play these games seemingly only so you can poke at the mod for the slightest infraction of what you consider to be fair play. Thing is, it only doesn't matter if you make it not matter. You could help immensely if you wanted to, turns out you'd rather pout. I don't get it.